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I am sure that at Pura last year we were shown how to arabic moving backwards with horizontal arms to cue the group to move back. Can anyone confirm this for me or otherwise as I am now hearing conflicting views on this and am wondering if I got it wrong.
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Re: Arabic with horizontal arms to cue the group to move backwards
Tue, April 28, 2009 - 5:40 AMi thought that was the cue for the orbit -
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Re: Arabic with horizontal arms to cue the group to move backwards
Tue, April 28, 2009 - 6:41 AMFrom what I remember from Pura last year and the GS in the days before it; the 'pushback' (horizontal arms) is used in a group formation to move the entire group back, for whatever reason i.e. a lack of dance space.
It is not generally used, presumably because it could be mis-read as a cue for something like an orbit or an arabic 1-2-3. Hope that helps? :) -
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Re: Arabic with horizontal arms to cue the group to move backwards
Tue, April 28, 2009 - 11:22 AMThank you, Kirsty. Yes thats what I remember. The stepping back differentiates it from the Arabic 123 cue. -
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Re: Arabic with horizontal arms to cue the group to move backwards
Tue, April 28, 2009 - 12:06 PMThis might help with differentiating, because I use the horizontal arms as pushback on the odd occasion.
With Arabic orbit, I tend to look back at my partner so that they know I'm coming for them, as opposed to pushing them back. That, and most people can see the reason for a pushback ("Uhm, Suzy's gonna fall off the front of the stage if the next move is a resham-ka! Maybe we should move it back...")
That, and Arabic Orbit tends to start at your baseline. -
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Re: Arabic with horizontal arms to cue the group to move backwards
Tue, April 28, 2009 - 12:07 PMOh, forgot to mention this:
Don't forget, Arabic Orbit tends to be a partner move. If there are three of you on stage, it likely isn't an orbit coming, right? -
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Re: Arabic with horizontal arms to cue the group to move backwards
Thu, April 30, 2009 - 4:31 PMoops yea i guess so huh, i tend to forget that, my group is technically ITS and we figured a way to orbit with three or four ( three together, or two pairs) hehe
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Re: Arabic with horizontal arms to cue the group to move backwards
Thu, April 30, 2009 - 2:09 PMKirsty...this is exactly the way I understood and learned it also. Lots of flexibility, but easy enough to read to know the difference. The orbit needs the head cue in order to avoid the mis-read for a pushback. Plus body angles help with the cueing with going flat tells the fade, but no going flat means a push back regardless of the arms, but in all honesty it is the second positions choice to catch the fade or make it a push back LOL...so the joy of improv...whatever happens happens.
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Re: Arabic with horizontal arms to cue the group to move backwards
Tue, April 28, 2009 - 6:48 AMThe way I know to move the group backwards is just to start moving backwards with the arms up!
Bringing your arms down to horizontal and stepping back would look like the Arabic Orbit to me. Or, doing the arabic stationary with the arms at horizontal would cue the Arabic 1,2,3.
That being said, I'm sure Wendy and Sandi will clarify much better than I!! :) -
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Re: Arabic with horizontal arms to cue the group to move backwards
Thu, April 30, 2009 - 4:32 PMok, dumb question, remind me, what is the arabic 123? maybe i just know it by another name... -
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Re: Arabic with horizontal arms to cue the group to move backwards
Thu, April 30, 2009 - 5:36 PMArabic 123 is aka Arabic dropx3.
Arms at shoulder height, 4 cts arabic, chest lifts and drops 3 times, as your legs bend in a slight level, then you pop back up. -
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Re: Arabic with horizontal arms to cue the group to move backwards
Fri, May 1, 2009 - 6:53 AMoh ok i did know that one, hehe
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Re: Arabic with horizontal arms to cue the group to move backwards
Tue, April 28, 2009 - 9:28 AMThere is a move in Gypsy Caravan format called Arabic Backwalk that uses the cue you described. It's a little different because it's an Arabic with alternating feet. You step back R, L, R, L with an Arabic undulation over each one. It's done on flat feet. -
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Re: Arabic with horizontal arms to cue the group to move backwards
Thu, April 30, 2009 - 2:16 PMThis move is much easier to read in a push back only because it is a distinctively different feel to the move from GC than any of the FC moves. but for those that don't do GC it can be very confusing based on the flat footedness of the move.
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Re: Arabic with horizontal arms to cue the group to move backwards
Fri, May 1, 2009 - 9:50 AMHi Susan. I understand where the confusion came in. In general, if the leader moves back with arms at horizontal that would indicate that she intends it to be a push back. With Arabic we would turn to full profile if we wanted to fade it, so if we didn't do that I would assume it was a push back. If the arms came down to horizontal in an arabic moving back I would think it was a cue for the orbit. -
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Re: Arabic with horizontal arms to cue the group to move backwards
Sat, May 2, 2009 - 4:09 AMThank you Megha, I really appreciate you taking the time to reply.
At Pura we were dancing as a 3 when we did the horizontal arms to cue the backing up of the group, so the potential confusion of cueing an Orbit didn't arise.
So, I think what you are saying is that it is best not use horizontal arms to cue backing up of the group so not to get into the habit of doing it when in duet which might cause confusion with a cue for Orbit.
So (and please correct me if I'm wrong) is it best to use:
Arabic arms overhead and step back to move group back
Arabic arms overhead and turn to full profile to fade
Arabic horizontal arms, look over right shoulder and move back to cue Orbit
Arabic horizontal arms, in place to cue Arabic 123
Thanks again
Sue x -
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Re: Arabic with horizontal arms to cue the group to move backwards
Sun, May 3, 2009 - 4:44 PMHi Susan,
Just to put my two penneth worth in - according to GS Feb 2009 - I think I might have a couple of corrections, sorry but my understanding is:
Disagree - Arabic arms overhead and step back to move group back - as Megha says - if the leader moves back with arms at horizontal (not overhead) for any move that would indicate that she intends it to be a push back
Agree - Arabic arms overhead and turn to full profile to fade
Agree - Arabic horizontal arms, look over right shoulder and move back to cue Orbit
Disagree - Arabic horizontal arms, in place to cue Arabic 123 - my understanding is that in the set up you Arabic whilst moving forward (not in place) at the same time as bringing the arms down to horizontal to cue Arabic 1-2-3
Hope I'm not putting a spanner in the works but these are the notes I made at the time.
Good luck!
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Re: Arabic with horizontal arms to cue the group to move backwards
Sun, May 3, 2009 - 5:36 PM"Disagree - Arabic horizontal arms, in place to cue Arabic 123 - my understanding is that in the set up you Arabic whilst moving forward (not in place) at the same time as bringing the arms down to horizontal to cue Arabic 1-2-3"
For some reason, I remember hearing this when I took my GS, but here is what is says in the ATS FAQ tribe:
ats.tribe.net/thread/8551...b1116e6b7fce
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Re: Arabic with horizontal arms to cue the group to move backwards
Sun, May 3, 2009 - 5:39 PMFor the Arabic 123, you don't have to move forward. You can do it in place, but its just clearer if you do move forward. But hey, if you're on a small stage, do it in place.
My 2 cents on the Arabic move-back... if its too confusing, don't use it. I just change the movement to something else that's less confusing.
Remember, long steps back confirms the fade, not little ones.
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Re: Arabic with horizontal arms to cue the group to move backwards
Fri, May 1, 2009 - 11:40 PMAt Tribal: Pura Milwaukee I remember being taught that moving backwards with horizontal arms doing any move is cueing the group to move backward since there is no space for the back dancers to come forward. Arms up with any backward moving move allows the back dancers to fade forward if they choose.
