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So the subject line pretty much says it all. :( What am I doing wrong? It especially aches after I do lots of hip bumps, choo choos, and pivot bumps.
I had trouble with it at the beginning when I was only dancing and practicing a couple of times a week, but now that I'm practicing 4 or 5 times a week, it's murder.
Any clues? My hip already thanks you. :)
Andrea.
I had trouble with it at the beginning when I was only dancing and practicing a couple of times a week, but now that I'm practicing 4 or 5 times a week, it's murder.
Any clues? My hip already thanks you. :)
Andrea.
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Re: My left hip is *killing* me! Help!
Sat, May 5, 2007 - 7:13 AMI have a bad left hip and have had for 30 years or so. I struggle with it all the time. The one-sidedness of ATS can irritate it. Although FCBD ATS only does hip bumps etc. with the right hip, standing on the left foot, it would probably be good for your body to practice them on both sides to even things out a bit.
Also, when practicing any move, but especially with the moves that put weight on you left leg (pivot bumps, reach and sit, etc.) do NOT sink into your left leg or hip. Keep your weight pulled up, using your glutes to keep you hip joint centered and your quads to pull up the knee cap as you would in yoga.
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Re: My left hip is *killing* me! Help!
Sat, May 5, 2007 - 11:34 AMAh ha! The *do not sink into your left leg or hip* is the key, I believe. Yay!
I don't believe I have a bad hip as much as a lot of weight being supported on the hip during those bumps. I think this because doing them on the other side irritates things too. I'm sinking into my hip. I observed that about myself today.
Ah, well. Another opportunity to enjoy the moves on a deeper level! :) The yoga comment helps tremendously too.
Thank you :).
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Sat, May 5, 2007 - 11:39 AMTo clarify, I don't think I have bad hips because they have never troubled me before doing the right-sided moves with ATS. I'll need an orthopedist if I don't stop sinking into my hip, tho'! LOL ;o)
Andrea.
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Re: My left hip is *killing* me! Help!
Sun, March 8, 2009 - 4:33 PM...."The one-sidedness of ATS can irritate it. Although FCBD ATS only does hip bumps etc. with the right hip, standing on the left foot, it would probably be good for your body to practice them on both sides to even things out a bit. ......"
If you study the BlackSheep Format of ATS, Kajira's, she teaches to use both hips so you are not dealing with the "one-sidedness" that may be the root cause...
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Re: My left hip is *killing* me! Help!
Mon, March 9, 2009 - 7:17 AMIf thepain is the result of doing the movement improperly, then they will have pain in both hips if they do it improperly on both sides.
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Re: My left hip is *killing* me! Help!
Mon, March 9, 2009 - 8:30 AMActually not, it just engages the muscles slightly differently. So both sides are actually being used during the pivot bump, single bump, and double bump moves.
For me, I just have a "weaker" side that gets bothered on occasion, and it is my "get this" right side. So, my left isn't bothered by "not" doing the hip bump related moves, nor is my right side bothered because I am doing them.
I just have a bum side that is not medically proven to be bad, it just is what it is for now. :)
Taxeems bother me more than the hip bump, so that is my buck twenty five input. :)
(Ok, it is just me getting old LOL)
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Re: My left hip is *killing* me! Help!
Sat, May 5, 2007 - 3:01 PMI've had this problem myself. One thing to make sure you're doing is keeping your weight distributed evenly over BOTH legs when doing hip bumps. This means you'll have to use your quads more for the movement but it will help. When you keep your weight on the left leg only, you put a lot of stress on a little muscle called the piriformis which is buried deep within your pelvis and has to do with rotation in the hip joint. This muscle runs alongside the sciatic nerve and can press on the nerve causing shooting pains down the back of your leg that seem to originate in the middle of your buttcheek.
I can't stress how important it is to maintain good body alignment and weight distribution during the hip bump. Even if we did 'go both ways' with it, the potential for trouble with both hips is there.
Take care and stretch well.
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Sat, May 5, 2007 - 4:53 PMLori, thanks for this. I'm gonna check and see if I actually have my weight distributed evenly between both feet on this move. I suspect not. I think this will be a big change for me, but it's worth a try. -
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Sun, May 13, 2007 - 1:53 PMI hope it helps you. It has helped me but I have to maintain vigilence or I wind up sinking into that left hip again. Lots of yoga poses will help to stretch: crossed legged poses, Warrior series, pigeon...the list goes on and on. Also, someone mentioned strengthening the core. Priceless to keep your posture perfect and alignment spotless.
Try a beginner Pilates video to help get you started. Even if you never go beyond the beginner video, you'll do yourself a world of good.
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Sat, May 5, 2007 - 10:18 PMFantastic help! Even weight distribution with the quads doing the work.I think you are right about it being the piriformis... But it seems to be only the attachment points on the "shoulder" of the femur and the sacrum that are painful. There isn't a shooting pain going down the back of my leg. Yet. ;o) I agree with you that going both ways will still tend to cause pain. The Pigeon (I think that's right) yoga posture seems to help a lot in stretching it and helping it to feel better.
Thank you :).
Andrea.
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Re: My left hip is *killing* me! Help!
Sun, February 15, 2009 - 7:05 AM"One thing to make sure you're doing is keeping your weight distributed evenly over BOTH legs when doing hip bumps. This means you'll have to use your quads more for the movement but it will help."
Wow--- really interesting stuff here-- I have of course noticed the fatigue and tension that you develop on the opposing side when doing many hip bumps--and particularly drilling them in class! This helps immensely. Thank you!
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Sun, February 15, 2009 - 11:43 AMOMG that is great advice. I'm having lots of piriformis issues and all the shooting pain leg butt stuff is driving me crazy, it's all in the left leg.
I will check out my weight distribution.
Thanks!
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Re: My left hip is *killing* me! Help!
Sat, May 5, 2007 - 9:47 PMThe most common culprit in left hip aches with hip bumps is doing a lift, then pushing back into the left hip. It should be up-neutral-up-neutral, not up-back-up-back. Even if it doesn't LOOK like it, it can feel like it, so pay attention to make sure you are coming back to neutral! -
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Sat, May 5, 2007 - 10:19 PMAnd that's *extremely* helpful. Something to say to myself during the move. "Up-Neutral-Up-Neutral..." Thank you!
{blows kisses in your direction} :)
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Sat, May 5, 2007 - 10:23 PMandrea-this is just a thought, but are you making sure that your left knee is soft, not locked? i don't know if that could be an issue, but thought i'd put that out there. :-) -
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Re: My left hip is *killing* me! Help!
Mon, May 7, 2007 - 2:13 PMWendy - actually, softening the knee is what got me into this. LOL! I managed to allow the softened knee to take me into a sitting position with my hip, much like Reach & Sit only not as pronounced? I'm sure you would have caught it in class right away and corrected it.
Also, having more weight on my frame definitely made the discomfort more significant. I try to be very aware of posture issues due to being heavier. I see that bad posture combined with a heavier body mass leads to severely damaged joints. My mother is a good example of that. I'd like to avoid it. :) -- Andrea.
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Sun, May 6, 2007 - 4:49 AMI too have suffered from severe hip pain in the past, but mine is a lot better since I have been working to strengthen my core. My physiotherapist has me lie on my rightside, bent knees and lift left knee up and down by opening and closing my left leg, control is key. it works the pimiformus & helps strengthen core stability . It is really important to make sure your hips stay centered and that you do not let them come to far forward or backwards while workig this muscle group. Does that make sense?
To begin with I could only do about 10 before my muscel was fatigued but now I have built up to a health 40+ . It did take time though practicing at least 3 times a day. I can now do choo choos without too much pain. Great!
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Re: My left hip is *killing* me! Help!
Sun, May 6, 2007 - 12:21 AMMy solution, as a massage therapist, is to practice in opposite when I work solo. This helps to strengthen the weak side and reduce postural imbalances. Yoga also helps introduce balance to the body
Remember, though, to ALWAYS stretch both sides, but keep in mind the side that hurts is most likely the OVERSTRETCHED side, and it is the opposite side that is locked up and needs releasing.
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Re: My left hip is *killing* me! Help!
Mon, May 7, 2007 - 2:15 PMTo summarize this thread so far, we have:
Basically, I need to work on engaging my legs. This is something yoga works on constantly, just like engaging the shoulders.
- don't sink or sit into the hip
- soften the knee
- keep the hip joint centered using gluts
- lift knee caps with quads
- keep weight evenly distributed
- up-neutral-up-neutral (not up-back-up-back)
I need to stretch the piriformis with stretches such as the Pigeon. Also, the hip that is bothered is probably the one that is over-stretched and the opposing hip is the one that is under-stretched.
Thanks, everyone for helping me with this! I'm very excited to see the results. I've been watching my everyday posture too.
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Re: My left hip is *killing* me! Help!
Thu, May 10, 2007 - 7:43 AMHave you ever tried Arnica?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnica
It's an all natural pain reliever. You can pick it up at a health food store or someplace like Whole Foods. Works like a charm!
To add a few more yoga moves...
The "butterfly" position, with your heels coming in towards the pelvis is crucial to keeping those ligaments loose and your hips open. Try nose to toes, and alternating leaning over each knee. As you do, keep the crown of your head in line with your spine and imagine pouring out all that excess tension and energy. Ground yourself to the floor and you will literally feel the energy draining from your hips. I begin and end each practice with this stretch.
Someone mentioned pigeon...also a must to really open your hips. This stretch will also do wonders for your hip circles because your body will be used to easliy moving with the hips in a square position.
A modification on the seated forward bend that I have also found helpful is to reach for your ankles, and in a very relaxed state start moving your hips on the floor in a very loose shimmy. This gently opens the pelvis and hip sockets. Rock back and forth, enjoying your breath.
When the searing pain has stopped, try this one:
Lie down on your side and support your head with your hand. (Kinda like you're going to go some old school leg lifts.) Take a deep breath, and on the exhale lift both legs off the floor while keeping your feet together. Try to get your feet, calves, and thighs as high as possible without straining yourself. You can place your opposite hand in front of you for balance. Hold for several breaths and repeat on the other side. This one is great because it engages the abs, lower back, and all of your hip muscles, and is a great strengthening exercise, while still getting a good stretch. The first time I tried it, I could barely lift my ankles off the floor. Now after a few weeks of incoporating it into my warm up, I am able to lift both legs completely off the floor, and can balance solely on my hip and elbow.
Overall I would say that if you can incorporate a weekly yoga practice (more never hurts either!) you will find that your overall flexibility and muscle control will enhance your dancing tremendously, as well as minimizing injury.
Feel better!
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Re: My left hip is *killing* me! Help!
Sat, May 19, 2007 - 11:03 AMA follow-up...
I figured out I was generating the motion on the wrong hip. Sorting this move out has helped with Reach & Sit, Choo-Choos, etc. But the really surprising thing was Taxeem and Reverse Taxeem!
I haven't been putting the weight fully on my left hip *ever*. I don't switch weight from one foot to the other. Or one hip to the other. Or rather, I didn't. I've corrected it now.
Which explains why I had the devil of a time getting 3/4 shimmy, too.
What happened is long long ago, in my youth, I lived in a military town. I learned to counter the sway and bounce in my walk so I would "walk like a boy". That way, I didn't get propositioned and I stayed in control. Yah. Only now my bellydance is messed up! And my lower back, and my hip, etc. ;o)
When I first started bellydancing back in 1994, I noticed my spine was totally locked up. I couldn't move at all in a snakey fashion. Now, I can. Time to unlock the other treasures of my body. Like my hips. <g>
Carolena said it plain as day on FCBD TBV1, the hip movement in the hip bump is generated by pushing into the floor with the right foot, transferring the energy into the right hip in an up/neutral up/neutral fashion. I've been using the left hip to generate the up/down motion I've been doing. Grind, grind, grind!
So, all of your help, observations, and personal experience have helped me figure this out! Huzzah!
Thank you! <bows in your direction>
Namaste,
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Sat, February 14, 2009 - 8:38 PMMy left hip is killing me!
As someone who is also having this problem I am wondering how you are doing and what has worked and what has not? -
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Re: My left hip is *killing* me! Help!
Sun, February 15, 2009 - 7:14 AMRead upward my dear and you shall find a wealth of info.... -
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Sun, February 15, 2009 - 5:21 PMhere's an option. stick with other moves. ;-) I fully support strengthening, yoga, everything mentioned above, but you might just want to take it easy on those moves in the mean time. Sorry if someone already mentioned that, I skimmed through.
there's only a few moves that are "right sided" ......the rest of the vocabulary, which is that vaaast majority, is even on both sides.
I hope it all works out! ;-D I have a bad right knee, and when we do a lot of levels, I tend to flatten my right foot when my knee is feeling weak. I can't get the same range of motion, but it helps to know your limits. -
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Sun, February 15, 2009 - 7:14 PMThis is one of those moves where it looks deceiving simple and its not! Is ATS simple...yeah NO!
The advice is excellent and I just want to add one more thing with this comment:
'Wendy - actually, softening the knee is what got me into this.'
What I see most often (whether this is a factor or not but it is important to know) is when attempting that lift, even with proper weight disrtibution, there is a tendency to twist the lower back in the lift especially when the opposite hip is used because they utilize it for lift. This doesn't mean the hip is thrust forward necessarily because sometimes it is hard for me to detect them doing it visually. When it truly becomes an issue is when there is excessive use or the speed is increased. My advice is to bend the knees and then observe. If the student feels discomfort in the lower back , the lift becomes more awkward or they are unable to do it at a very quick pace ( with something balanced on their head) then they are not utilizing the proper area and need to re-assess. Over time this will not only affect advanced movement but will hasten injury.
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Re: My left hip is *killing* me! Help!
Tue, February 17, 2009 - 2:09 PMI also don't think you can overestimate the power of keeping your core muscles engaged during such moves. Because I have a bad back and joints if I forget to evenly distribute the movement across my lower half I get extreme pain. Keeping my pelvic floor muscles not rigid but engaged when moving my hips around prevents unnecessary strain on my spine. -
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Fri, February 27, 2009 - 9:23 AMCan i just add to this great discussion, I'm not sure if anyone has actually specifically mentioned it but to protect the left hip joint, if you think of engaging the left glute to ensure you go back to neutral and use the right glute to give structure to the bump you will be able to do this move without experiencing fatigue in the left hip joint. Stretching out the glutes after practise is also important. -
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Fri, February 27, 2009 - 3:48 PMJust in case this will help someone else.
I have a new physio and she has decided that my problem with my left hip comes from staying in dance posture all the time. In other words I don't revert back to normal, legs straight and leaving the curve in my back type of posture but rather I am constantly keeping my knees bent and tucking my pelvis while walking about all day long.
I don't know if she is right as of yet but I sure hope she is because the pain in my left hip hurts all day long and then keeps me awake at night!!
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Thu, March 12, 2009 - 2:13 PMA random aside - if you have a Wii fit or know someone that does, go round and try the yoga balance exercises. Apparently my centre of balance was way off and I had no idea!