To Turban or not to 'Turban

topic posted Tue, April 14, 2009 - 7:16 PM by  Susan
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I posed this question on Fat Chance Belly Dance tribe only this morning. However, while cruising throught he posts on this tribe, there was a discussion about short hair and some people said they were dancing with turbans. So I am asking the question again on this tribe. Was it political correctness that took us away from wearing the black turban (thinking of Taliban)? I noticed on my short trip to Rajasthan that only men wore turbans.

I love that aspect of FCBD early costuming - the turbans and tassels. In Australia, I think there was a huge shift away from turbans because they were too hot. I bet it also had something to do with the amount of time required and practise needed to get that fabulous look.

Yesterday I bought 32 metres of black cotton to re-introduce the turban to our costume range. At least the students can have their own turban with which to experiment. Maybe I should have asked these questions before I spent $32 on a train ticket to Sydney and $60 on the fabric. It was that a couple of us were thinking of going "vintage" FCBD before big hair and big flowers.

Cheers, Susan
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  • Re: To Turban or not to 'Turban

    Tue, April 14, 2009 - 7:37 PM
    Sounds feasible re: the Aussie heat...my sweety just recently cut off his dreads cuz they were just too hot for the climate...

    I've got a lovely Turkish shawl that I think would make a nice turban, but I have no clue as hot to wrap it...*shrugs*...I'd end up looking like I'd just come out of the shower or something...=p
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      Tue, April 14, 2009 - 10:45 PM
      There are all sorts of Turban tutorials online.

      And I didn't hear that people stopped wearing Turbans because of the Taliban, I though it was just that the Hair Garden was the new high fashion.

      And if one has the correct FCBD Vid, they show you how to wrap a good ATS headwrap.
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    Wed, April 15, 2009 - 4:58 AM
    Hi, we still where turbans in Devon, uk. Sometimes we wear flowers and sometimes sort of half-turban scarfs with jewelry. I think it depends on your props, the weather and the moves you plan to do. I don't wear much jewelry if the musics quite fast as I always catch my eye or my teeth lol. x
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    Wed, April 15, 2009 - 6:55 AM
    Hi Susan. I am a huge fan of the turban. We first had to start scaling back the fabric when dancing in New Orleans summer and heat for practical and safety reasons. Now I'm in Alabama where the weather is slightly less oppressive but still very hot and humid for at least half of the year. A lot of the younger (as in newer) dancers aren't fans of the turban and like to take the easy way out and just wear hair and jewelry, etc. I almost always still wear at least a 1/4 turban. I think they give the head a more balanced look with the rest of the costume and it's so beautiful to display the jewelry. I'm all about the "uppage" with the headdress. So we use the full spectrum from full turbans to what we call "tribal lite" with only jewelry and flowers depending on the venue and circumstance. I'm happy to hear that you are a fan of the turban, too.
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    Wed, April 15, 2009 - 9:29 AM
    I like turbans myself, but I know a LOT of people who don't :(. Being in Canada, I'm of the opinion that turbans are perfect winter gear, with hair-gardens/headbands for the summer. Turbans are great for short-haired dancers (like me) and even for those with longer but fine, "plain" hair that doesn't jazz up well on its own. I do think they balance off the costume nicely---all those whirly skirts on the bottom. They do take a bit of practice---the mistake I see most people make is twisting the fabric too tightly before wrapping it around.

    I don't think turbans are traditional female garb anywhere, and I haven't seen any ethnic turbans that look much like FCBD turbans, either (at least, the Sikh turbans I most often see seem to be wrapped completely differently). Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
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      Wed, April 15, 2009 - 10:46 AM
      I love seeing the headwrap on tribal ladies because it desensualizes the hair, giving the face more power.

      You don't have people making the subconscious assumptions about Blondes, Redheads, Darkhaired or Blue/Pink/Purple haired ladies. It brings everything to a level playing surface. Any sensualness comes from the movement, which, IMHO, is where it SHOULD come from.
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        Wed, April 15, 2009 - 12:01 PM
        You said it exactly, Valizan. The turban completes the powerful, otherworldliness of the constume and takes hair out of the modern context we associate with when we see it displayed. I like the turban on men and women. And ATS dancers would never let something like increased footage of turban-wearers in the news affect the choice of headgear - if anything, I think it's simply not done as much anymore because of the time involved in fixing it, the fact that not all dancers like the turbaned look on themselves, and most important, HEAT. But give me a good turban anytime! I'm always trying to get our troupe to wear turbans because I don't like being the only one. I make up "well-known facts?" to convince them like, 'dancers in turbans have a stronger center of gravity and can spin better!'
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          Wed, April 15, 2009 - 1:07 PM
          Oh god I am so pleased to hear there are still fans out there.

          I've never worn one or tied one but my old troupe didnt want to wear them so I was out-voted!
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            Wed, April 15, 2009 - 2:09 PM
            Same thing happens in my troupe, Lisa. They wrinkle their noses at full turbans, though one of them does do the half-wraps. I get to wear a turban every time, so I don't press the issue. I'd love for that kind of uniformity, but it isn't a big deal. ::shrugs::
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              Wed, April 15, 2009 - 4:52 PM
              Thanks everyone for your input. One of my students, is very much into fusion - and very good with hair gardens and dreadies n' things - she is also very tall. She really surprised me when she suggested we wear turbans at our next performance.

              I like the uppage you gain with the turban, and with the big skirts, there is some balance. It used to take me about 1/2 hour for the turban and a few undoings and redoings, but have got it pretty much organised now, but I still allow that 1/2 hour.

              Using lightweight black cotton, really does help with the weight (and helps with heat and perspiration escaping). The only problem is if you twist too tight, you end up with long black snakes to twirl around, and then it makes it difficult to pin in accessories. So there is a balance with keeping it light and fluffy for the volume and heat control and aesthetics, but if too soft and fluffy, accessories will weight it down.

              Thanks again everyone.

              Megha I do notice too that Devyani also keeps more to the tassel belt. (well, at least in Vol 7). I endorse that look too.

              Cheers, Susan
            • Re: To Turban or not to 'Turban

              Wed, April 15, 2009 - 4:57 PM
              Valizan said : I'd love for that kind of uniformity, but it isn't a big deal. ::shrugs::

              Hey Valizan, I love uniformity too. In fact, my students think I am taking away their artistic expression, but even in that uniform look, there is still plenty of scope for individuality. One of my students wants to wear a white choli, and I've said "not on my watch". She hasn't taken it too hard as she has plenty of opportunity to wear it away from our student troupe performances. Personally, I think if there is too much difference, the "tribe" thing doesn't come across, and that is a pity.

              Cheers, Susan
              • Re: To Turban or not to 'Turban

                Wed, April 15, 2009 - 10:38 PM
                LOL...

                Susan, my entire troupe went "white" so to speak.

                We have our white costumes that have main elements in white, including white choli's, even for me.

                people.tribe.net/0eb196e3-...0a5d90847a

                Only in colour did we stray away from the ATS uniform. We still have pantaloons (Mine were white, the girls had red and green), the girls had white skirts over coloured skirts (the skirts that would usually be on top!) and we each had white choli's with black and gold Turkish vests. Tassle belts were a variety of colours, as were the usual accessories.

                If your students are all in black and one wears white, I can see where she would stand out in the grand scheme of the troupe. But I don't believe it is verboten to have choli's in white. On Volume 7, one can see the delightful Anita in a white choli while all the other ladies of FCBD and Devyani are in black cholis. There is so much luxurious colour happening with everyone that a white choli is absorbed into the melange. Anita doesn't stand out in a bad way.

                And your students who think you are taking away their artistic expression? They need to suck it up. :) This is a dance form that stresses uniformity, and they need to focus on the dance and THAT being uniform. Same applies for the troupe.

                It is funny, I've had this same clash within my own troupe.

                I want us to be as uniform as is possible with a guy and two gals. I don't wear a skirt, they don't wear turbans. So I am constantly trying to get us to match as close as possible, leaving artistic freedom to be expressed in our belts, jewelry and what we put on our heads. And I agree, if there is too much difference the tribe vibe doesn't come across. But again, the tribe vibe comes across in the polish of the dancing.

                I have found that even when Shades Of Araby dance in completely different coloured costumes (more informal hafla's) the tribe vibe comes across in the tight, clean moves being executed at exactly the same time.
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                  Wed, April 15, 2009 - 10:42 PM
                  I am very curious about the mention of heat being a factor in headwraps.

                  Am I simply very spoiled in having access to actual Indian turban cotton? I go to Toronto's Little India and say I want fabric for a turban and they show me the shelf with 30 different shades of light cotton.

                  I wear my turban all day at Pennsic in the heat and it actually benefits me because it holds moisture to my head, rehydrating me to an extent.
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                    Re: To Turban or not to 'Turban

                    Mon, April 20, 2009 - 8:58 AM
                    The main reason I don't wear a turban, is the heat. Oh my.

                    For me, the turban contains it so much, that I go from uncomfortable -- to headache. Back when I used to wear them to the ren fair, I'd have the whole thing off half way through the day. But I looooooooooooove the look of a turban (one of the many things that attracted me to ATS), and so I've gone from no strictly buns, flowers, etc, to 'half' turbans, that keep the top of my head cool. I would love to know where I could get a nice, light, cotton fabric though, Val. Can you direct me online perhaps??
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                  Thu, April 16, 2009 - 1:22 AM
                  I'm not quite sure where the uniform came in for color, but in FC, we don't really have colors that we stray away from. We just all happen to like black. It sets a nice backdrop for all the other layers. But any color is acceptable, as far as I'm concerned. Tho, I wouldn't go all pink, but some pink is cool. There just has to be a level of cohesiveness to tie everyone together. There's no reason why you have to lose individuality with the costume. All it requires is a choli, full skirt & pantaloons. Then coin bras, tassel belts, hip shawls, mozunas, etc add to the layered look. As does the jewelry, flowers, headwraps, etc. But what you do with them is up to you. (No Val, you can't wear the pantaloons on your head.) ;} We've only coordinated colors and costuming for certain choreographies and/or shows.

                  Once upon a time, I wore a white skirt under my black one for an audition for a big show and part of the judges' feedback was that my white skirt was "jarring". It was beautiful and it popped. That's because I was the only one wearing it. So now that more of us have white skirts or rufflie pantaloons, I'm not so jarring anymore. ;}

                  And we check in with each other if we want to coordinate roughly similar costuming for gigs. Like, sometimes we'll all wear the Banjara outfits. Or sometimes its as simple as saying we want to wear colorful brocade cholis. Most times tho, we just wear whatever we feel like.
          • Re: To Turban or not to 'Turban

            Wed, April 15, 2009 - 5:34 PM
            Me, too Lisa! I don't want to wear them all the time, but would still love it to be an option in the wardrobe. But I am outvoted!
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              Sun, April 19, 2009 - 3:32 PM
              Write me in as another outvoted turban liker. I dance with two curly girls and I have fits getting my long, straight, fine hair to look big enough, even with the fake stuff thrown in. Turbans end up being quicker for me because of all the fussing I have to do with my own hair, as opposed to putting it in a bun, wrapping it up and embellishing.
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      Thu, April 16, 2009 - 1:52 AM
      'Idon't think turbans are traditional female garb... '

      I'm pretty sure that the Ouled Nail women (Nailyat) wore turbans.................
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        Thu, April 16, 2009 - 4:56 AM
        Valizan, I've just checked out your pic of the white costumes. They really do look fantastic - but it is just more than the wearing of the white, it is the makeup and other things that brings the look together too. Tight dancing is the trick.

        My comment was just about the white choli amongst the the mix of blacks and other dark colours that I find jarring. I wasn't going to mention Anita's white choli on Vol 7. I found the contract, whilst visually interesting for the performances, did seem to draw one's attention to her because she stands out.

        Our troupe is still like shifting sands in terms of who is with us or not for performance and we are still a fair way off to being really tight, so if the costumes look good and reasonably uniform, we can fake it till we make it!

        Cheers, Susan
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        Mon, April 20, 2009 - 9:13 AM
        Kay... a different 'style' of turban, but still, yes, a turban. Gorgeous, too.

        www.basthabda.co.uk/oulednai...n0101.jpg

        I love those old photos so much. They're so inspiring.
        • Re: To Turban or not to 'Turban

          Mon, April 20, 2009 - 9:38 PM
          oh boy don't shoot me
          I'm going out on a limb here.......... I can't stand the turban!
          Surely I'm not the only one to post this sentiment??
          I would have been doing Tribal years before I actually started if I new you didn't have to wear the turban! That's the only thing that put me off from switching to tribal.
          What happened to "a woman's hair is her crown and glory"?
          I got talked into wearing a turban at one of my earlier performances... I cringe when I even think of the photos from that day, very unattractive.
          I think a turban is so severe, and unflattering to the face. I think the FCBD girls look so pretty the way they wear their hair now.
          You can get plenty of volume "for Balance" with flowers, hair sticks, hair pieces, mirrored bands etc. I'm not for hair out loose. I know I'm a bit of a girly girl, so wrapping your head up is like...... wearing a baseball cap.........with a dress.
          Please at least make it optional for troupe members.
          Vote 1 for no turban

          • Re: To Turban or not to 'Turban

            Mon, April 20, 2009 - 10:44 PM
            I agree that turbans can sometimes look too severe. It depends on the face shape, as some women look great in turbans, but a lot look better without IMO. I do love hair wraps, but I prefer to at least have a bit of hair showing.
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              Tue, April 21, 2009 - 8:17 AM
              Personally, I don't like the way I look in a headwrap, but it's about what makes the group look best, when it comes to ATS. After all, it's a team effort, and sometimes you have to put your own issues aside in order to what makes the group look best.
              • Re: To Turban or not to 'Turban

                Tue, April 21, 2009 - 3:19 PM
                I still vote for the Turban. Not only do I have thin brown straightish hair, my head is small too, so I have difficulty attaching things to my head, the head bands either slip off, or not enough hair or head surface to attach all the bits and pieces. Another dance troupe in Newcastle's (small industrial city) "trademark" is the headwrap look. I am a friend of the director, so am hesitant to "take on" the middle approach of headwaps in the "gypsy" style, which is acknowledged in our community as her trademark.

                Have seen unflattering turban shapes, but this can be easily remedied with a get together with the dancers and help each other out to work out the most flattering shape. For me, personally, I like the less is more for decorating my turban, if it has enough volume, a good shape and some coloured scarves wound in.

                Love this discussion.

                Cheers, Susan
                • Re: To Turban or not to 'Turban

                  Tue, April 21, 2009 - 10:54 PM
                  I'm with you Susan.

                  I don't do much decorating on my turbans, mainly because I often dance so vigorously that things can't help but fly off from the force! :D

                  I have taken to winding Indian tie-dye scarves into my solid coloured turban and leaving a tail in the back. It is almost a counter colour for the turban, adding an ethnic richness, and when I spin, the dangling tail adds a bit more flow.
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                    Re: To Turban or not to 'Turban

                    Wed, April 22, 2009 - 5:35 AM
                    Valizan, I have to say, I do love your turban! The light colour looks great. Terrific, bold, masculine costume for a male dancer.
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                Wed, April 22, 2009 - 6:18 AM
                Mz Crankypants (LOL), around the web is the picture of all of FCBD in turbans...it looks like a fairly recent picture as it includes the current members. YOU LOOK ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL. It seems like wearing the turban really accentuates your facial features...eyes, lips and decorations. My only thought is because of this, maybe one needs to be a bit more dramatic in that department. BTW, whatever you do, your blue eyes are knockouts!
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              Wed, April 22, 2009 - 3:19 AM
              I was looking at 2 Sikh men on the train this morning. One looked totally hot and the other looked a bit grumpy, and I decided that it was about where their turbans were sitting on their brows. The grumpy-looking man had his pushed right down to his eyebrows and it swamped him, whereas the hot man had his up near his hairline (or where I assume his hairline would have been) and it just looked more open and nicer. Which is a lesson I shall take on board next time I am playing with turbans in front of the mirror!
  • Re: To Turban or not to 'Turban

    Tue, April 21, 2009 - 5:33 PM
    I'm sure anything covering my head is better than roots showing. :O
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      Wed, April 22, 2009 - 3:08 AM
      Yeah, Valizan, my last "turban in performance", had a tail at the back too. I had thought of a plait of hair hanging down the back, but the tail of the turban did the same thing.

      ... and Zina, wearing a choli means I don't have to shave my armpits - as my former fellow cabaret performers insisted on. Not being judgmental about that, but I am all into not snipping, dyeing or shaving unless absolutely have to. Not going into more detail here. hahahahah!

      Cheers, Susan

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