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Hello ATS dancers.
I have a question for those of you who have completed the Teacher Training offered by Carolena.
Last fall I did the General Skills workshop. (I went into the workshop thinking I knew ATS and it would be a breeze. As it turns out the tribal moves my teacher taught me are not actually ATS moves.) I was so frustrated that real, true ATS was so different from the "ATS" I'd been taught. But I had a blast at GS and fell madly in love with ATS!!
I've been attempting to teach a handful of girls (all with "tribal" experience) authentic ATS. We've been playing around with it for about 9 months. There is a serious lack of ATS in North Carolina, so I don't have the option to go train with someone who actually knows what they are doing.
But, I'm always watching my videos and reading workshop notes and I feel like I'm getting it.
And, now I've signed up for TT. Have I made a mistake? I'm terrified I won't be able to keep up.
I'd love to hear about your TT experiences! Was it difficult for you?
Thanks!!
I have a question for those of you who have completed the Teacher Training offered by Carolena.
Last fall I did the General Skills workshop. (I went into the workshop thinking I knew ATS and it would be a breeze. As it turns out the tribal moves my teacher taught me are not actually ATS moves.) I was so frustrated that real, true ATS was so different from the "ATS" I'd been taught. But I had a blast at GS and fell madly in love with ATS!!
I've been attempting to teach a handful of girls (all with "tribal" experience) authentic ATS. We've been playing around with it for about 9 months. There is a serious lack of ATS in North Carolina, so I don't have the option to go train with someone who actually knows what they are doing.
But, I'm always watching my videos and reading workshop notes and I feel like I'm getting it.
And, now I've signed up for TT. Have I made a mistake? I'm terrified I won't be able to keep up.
I'd love to hear about your TT experiences! Was it difficult for you?
Thanks!!
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Re: TT - have I made a mistake?
Mon, September 14, 2009 - 2:06 PMNo, you haven't.
If you are studying the videos, took great notes at GS, and often study the Art of Belly Dance book, then you should be familiar with Carolena's terminology, theories, and concepts.
Remember that it is a 'Training', which means you will be learning. It's not an end all pass fail for your ATS future.
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Re: TT - have I made a mistake?
Mon, September 14, 2009 - 4:53 PMWhat Carrie said. You would definitely benefit from taking the GS again, preferably before the TT. There is just so much information, and it ain't cheap to do these trainings. You want to make sure when you do your TT that you are really ready, not only in raw ability, but prepared with specific *questions* to ask, and the capacity to look at the movement and the information in a thoughtful way, if you will... Then you will make the most of the experience! -
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Re: TT - have I made a mistake?
Tue, September 15, 2009 - 5:35 PMDitto what Shay said. Just last month I took GS for the second time, then took the TT course that immediately followed. I definitely felt that the 3 days of GS gave me a huge boost going straight into the TT. -
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Wed, September 16, 2009 - 9:03 AMHow long was it between taking GS the first time and the second time. How long have you been dancing. I have been dancing for over a year, taking instruction for a teacher that teaches fat chance belly dance ATS. I am also in a student troupe. I am taking GS in Oct and plan to take TT next year in the fall. Now I am wondering if I am gong to be takig TT too soon or if I should plan to take GS again before TT. Thoughts from those of you experienced dancers/teachers please.
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Re: TT - have I made a mistake?
Wed, September 16, 2009 - 10:38 AMI have a hard time imagining taking a teacher training course after only 2 years of dancing, but YMMV! -
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Re: TT - have I made a mistake?
Wed, September 16, 2009 - 10:42 AMThanks for your input, Shay. What are your thoughts about teaching ATS in general with less than 2 years experience and no TT training? Thanks. Joan -
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Re: TT - have I made a mistake?
Wed, September 16, 2009 - 2:45 PMIt really depends on the dancer. But in my personal experience, I've had better quality of instruction from teachers with at least five years of training (minimum!) and a lot of performance experience. There's a lot of things you can't really teach unless you've lived and breathed them for a long time, had them tested and shaped, and have seriously devoted yourself to the art form for a significant amount of time. You need context in order to be a good teacher.
Do you have any non-ATS dance experience, preferably bellydance? Or experience teaching group fitness classes? Or a deep understanding of anatomy -- maybe you're a massage therapist? These are all things that might make it easier for you to begin teaching after such a short amount of time. Is your current teacher supportive of you becoming a teacher? -
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Re: TT - have I made a mistake?
Wed, September 16, 2009 - 5:44 PMI agree with Jaiyana.
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Re: TT - have I made a mistake?
Wed, September 16, 2009 - 8:31 PMWhat Jaiyana said. You don't know what you don't know...until you know. It's through studying and dancing and learning through years (miles) of experience that you learn what you didn't know and how important it is to know.
Confusing enough? LOL!
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Re: TT - have I made a mistake?
Wed, September 16, 2009 - 9:03 PMWell, if I can be any example here, it took me 2 years to even consider taking Intermediate classes (I don't think I actually started Intermediate until about 3 years, then Advanced after about 4 years - and I didn't even think I would ever want to perform!). But I'm a shy perfectionist in most ways. There was no way I would have wanted to advance forward unless I knew I had everything in my body/brain as if it was second nature. Everyone does learn at different speeds and brain/body coordination levels vary immensely. And there are many people out there who totally get it intellectually, but not physically, and vice versa.
I personally wouldn't advise anyone with less than 4 student years (including student performances) plus at least 1 professional year dance experience, to try and teach ATS. There is just so much to it, that its really not enough time to understand it all. It is all a training - the whole experience - even taking GS & TT. And thinking as a student, this is something I'd hope for my teachers to have.
Although, I do understand that many people don't have ATS teachers in their area and they must become the teachers, if they don't want to dance alone. I understand that all that may be available are videos and occasional workshops. And I commend those who try very hard to make do with with they've got. But at some point, you have to strive for better.
To become a teacher, you have to be honest with yourself and really see your technique, your understanding of music/rhythms, zils, performance presentation, costuming, etc for what it is. Is it a finished product? You have to take into consideration that you will be teaching this to others and they will have questions. Lots and lots of questions. You will have to be a font of knowledge, grace and guidance. Be sure this is what you are prepared for. It is not just teaching dance steps.
I am very protective about the integrity of ATS, as all of us at FC are, most especially Carolena, I am sure. We want you all to make us proud! :}
I highly recommend taking GS again and again. Each time refining your skills and also paying attention to how Carolena teaches each move in the GS. Then TT is good if you want to learn teaching techniques and it will really make you aware of what you know and what you don't know about ATS. Its a lot to take in. But I do also think TT is great for those who are even just "teaching curious".
Rereading the above, this is not solely directed at Joan, but to anyone eager to teach and/or perform in short periods of time. In short, release your expectations and you will gain so much more than you could have hoped. -
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Re: TT - have I made a mistake?
Thu, September 17, 2009 - 2:52 AMAs a student, I would be very unhappy about paying money to a teacher who had less experience than Sandi describes. I want a teacher who has performed and studied and practiced and really absorbed the dance. And I just don't think you can get that in 2 years.
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Re: TT - have I made a mistake?
Thu, September 17, 2009 - 10:45 AMThank you all for your responses. You have given me a lot to think about. Joan
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Re: TT - have I made a mistake?
Tue, September 22, 2009 - 5:52 PMWhat a lovely post Sandi. Thank YOU for being a font of knowledge, grace and guidance!
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Re: TT - have I made a mistake?
Tue, September 22, 2009 - 5:35 PMHi Joan
Are you doing your GS in Milwaukee? If so, I'll see you there! -
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Re: TT - have I made a mistake?
Wed, September 23, 2009 - 4:23 AMYes, I am. Recent note from Carolena states she is incorporating the floor work into our session! Yyiiiiip!
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Re: TT - have I made a mistake?
Thu, September 17, 2009 - 8:15 PMAnnie...
Sounds to me like you are doing everything you could be doing to prep for the TT. You have NOT made a mistake by signing up. I think it's wonderful that you did :)
Was it difficult for me? Yes. It was. But, it's good that it was. I really learned a lot. It was an excellent experience, one that I plan to repeat as soon as I am able to.
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Re: TT - have I made a mistake?
Thu, September 17, 2009 - 8:17 PMI meant GS... sorry :)
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Re: TT - have I made a mistake?
Mon, September 21, 2009 - 6:37 PMWOW. I was REALLY confused by your post. I don't know why I thought you were JUST going to take the GS now.
Goodness. Sorry for the sloppy misinformed reply.
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