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Re: what are these combos?
Sun, November 8, 2009 - 3:38 PMThis troupe does not look strictly ATS. They use a Gypsy Caravan formation (center front lead), and have a lot of moves and combos in there that are not ATS, your examples included. -
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Re: what are these combos?
Sun, November 8, 2009 - 3:44 PMThat's why I didn't recognize a lot of their dance. I have never studied Gypsy Caravan....only FCBD. Thanks! -
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Re: what are these combos?
Sun, November 8, 2009 - 4:23 PMHI The couple of moves are our 'experiments ' and are not ATS although they work in the format ... some of the other moves we use are from Devi Mamak of Ghawazi Caravan in the Blue mountains. We don't use Gypsy Caravan moves although Paulette's skirt moves are fun for warm ups Thanks! -
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Re: what are these combos?
Sun, November 8, 2009 - 4:32 PMoh and the centre front lead thing is just me getting it wrong... but recently completed TT so lots to correct! xx -
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Re: what are these combos?
Mon, November 9, 2009 - 12:06 AMIf you are doing ITS, front center lead is not "wrong". It's just an alternate formation. We in inFusion Tribal have used center front lead for years to great effect--a holdover from our Gypsy Caravan foundation training. -
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Re: what are these combos?
Thu, November 26, 2009 - 7:25 AMisnt it 'flock of birds " formation? -
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Re: what are these combos?
Thu, November 26, 2009 - 12:18 PMIs what flock of birds formation?
Flock of birds is a concept, not a formation. There is chevron and V (or inverted chevron).
But everyone uses different naming conventions. Those are just what I learned in my ATS and Gypsy Caravan studies. -
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Re: what are these combos?
Fri, November 27, 2009 - 5:08 PMDoes FatChance use Chevrons or Vs?
I'd love to use them, but I didn't think they were a FCBD thing. -
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Re: what are these combos?
Fri, November 27, 2009 - 5:11 PMI think only when a trio has faded?
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Re: what are these combos?
Fri, November 27, 2009 - 7:49 PMI have seen them use them choreographically before, not improvisationally.
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Re: what are these combos?
Fri, November 27, 2009 - 8:17 PMI've seen Red Lotus use them. www.redlotusbellydance.com/2008....html -
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Re: what are these combos?
Fri, November 27, 2009 - 9:12 PMwe do use them, yes, in choreography.
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Re: what are these combos?
Mon, November 9, 2009 - 2:24 AMI think your "experiments" blend in beautifully. Nice dancing! :-)
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Re: what are these combos?
Mon, November 9, 2009 - 12:46 PMHaven't some Ghawazi Caravan moves recently been adopted by Fat Chance?
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Re: what are these combos?
Mon, November 9, 2009 - 8:37 AMMy troupe (ITS) uses a move very similar to the one at 1:47, in 2 variations. We call the one you did "Arabic mini-slide" and a slightly longer version we call "Arabic electric slide".
Cool to see someone else playing with this combo. -
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Re: what are these combos?
Tue, November 10, 2009 - 9:45 AMDoesn't Black Sheep have a move like that? Arabic Grandmother I think? -
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Re: what are these combos?
Wed, November 11, 2009 - 1:14 AMThat would bei BSBD's Slow Arabic. It has those arms, and it moves to the side, but the feet go "flat-ball-ball-ball", and it doesn't end in this pretty turn. The Arabic Grandmother, as I understand it, is a partner combo based on the Slow Arabic Turn combo.
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Re: what are these combos?
Sat, November 21, 2009 - 9:59 AMI have always know that one as the traveling arabic, and traveling arabic with a turn. I was under the first impression that it was gypsy caravan, but then thought it might just be one of the very old fat chance belly dance moves that they droped... kinda like the egyptian susan or the turkish 1/4 turns with arms, Carolina stops doing them, and everyone stops, but then some other troupes keep them and they re surface.
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Re: what are these combos?
Sat, November 21, 2009 - 10:21 AMEgyptian Susan? -
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Re: what are these combos?
Sat, November 21, 2009 - 10:12 PMMore like Lazy Susan since we don't see her anymore! :D
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Re: what are these combos?
Mon, November 23, 2009 - 9:51 PMIt's a Ghawazi Caravan move, named after Susan Brown. I don't think it's officially part of the vocab, but a lot of australian ATS dancers know it and use it. -
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Re: what are these combos?
Tue, November 24, 2009 - 1:46 PMThanks Antonia for the info re the origins and the name of the move .... I sometimes feel I have been playing an elaborate dancing form of chinese whispers! -
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Re: what are these combos?
Tue, November 24, 2009 - 3:21 PM"telephone game" might be a better term to use, and not such a holdover from a previous generation's bigorty. I know ya didn't mean it that way, but to others it can sound bad...
Just the other day my PT said "I don't want to gyp ya!", and I am reminded how these holdover terms can be forgotten for the slurs they are!
And for the record, I feel this way a lot, too! The telephone game is how this dance is traditionally passed down--oral tradition! Luckily we have videos and right here this here internets! :) -
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Re: what are these combos?
Tue, November 24, 2009 - 8:55 PMoops didn't mean it that way so telephone game might be a better term ..... xx e
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Re: what are these combos?
Tue, November 24, 2009 - 1:53 PMIs there any youtubage of The Egyptian Susan? -
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Re: what are these combos?
Thu, November 26, 2009 - 7:34 AMwww.youtube.com/watch
2:22...after the ghwazi caravan box step. These ladies are the only ones in adelaide that i have seen using the egyptain susan. A move that has only just clicked for me tonight...got it 3 seperate times tonight....and fading it too!!!! so pleased with myself! -
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Re: what are these combos?
Thu, November 26, 2009 - 9:48 AMThanks for posting!
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Re: what are these combos?
Fri, November 27, 2009 - 10:10 AMMmmmmm, pretty! :-)
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Re: what are these combos?
Tue, November 24, 2009 - 9:12 PMnow I am getting confused.... at 1.08 we are doing a move we call Jolanta's box step and at 1.47 we are doing an arabic travel with turn ... the box step is a turning variation of what I know just as a box step and to be honest I am not entirely sure where it originated from .... and as for the egyptian susan I am not sure what it is ... I think that came from the reply from Tricia who might know of it from Devi in the Blue Mountains. think I might plunder some Ghawazi Caravan on You tube ........ xx e -
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Re: what are these combos?
Wed, November 25, 2009 - 1:18 PMI haven't seen an example of the Egyptian Susan on youtube, but it was a variation created by Susan Brown who started ATS in New Zealand (she was my original teacher).
On the 3/4 count for the Egyptian you drop your left arm to shoulder height, and on the 5/6/7/8 you turn in place twice with the left arm remaining at shoulder height. As far a s I know it is not an official FCBD step but it is used a bit in Aussie and NZ. -
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Re: what are these combos?
Wed, November 25, 2009 - 1:35 PMAnd now for the inevitable request - got any video of that? ;) -
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Re: what are these combos?
Wed, November 25, 2009 - 5:20 PMBut wait..there's more.. Additional to Egyptian Susan! I was shown and Egyptian Sue and a Reverse Egyptian at recent workshops here in Australia. (Not FCBD vocab) I'm sure there is some footage around that will surface sooner than later!
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Re: what are these combos?
Wed, November 25, 2009 - 9:59 PMWe in inFusion have one similar to that, called the Spanish Egyptian, but with 4 pivot bumps rather than 2 turns! -
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Re: what are these combos?
Thu, November 26, 2009 - 7:16 AMha ha ha telephone game....exactly!!! its all passed down and passed down and gets lost and re surfaces. I was under the impression that the egyptian susan got taken back by karan gherman to FCBD and they danced it for a while, then dropped it. Egyptian sue was brought in by ghwazi caravan when one lady made the mistake and then it got put into the ghwazi vocab. -
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Re: what are these combos?
Thu, November 26, 2009 - 7:20 AMok ok, so anyone know where the traveling arabics come from? gypsy caravan??
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Re: what are these combos?
Mon, November 30, 2009 - 4:40 PMyeah? please correct me if Im wrong...maybe they were never fcbd in the first place and my whispers were confused. -
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Re: what are these combos?
Mon, November 30, 2009 - 4:42 PMfor some reason this post went to the bottom, and it was ment to be under wendys
egyptian susan?
is there ways to delete posts? -
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Re: what are these combos?
Mon, November 30, 2009 - 8:30 PMNope.
Unless you ask the moderator to chop something for you.
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Re: what are these combos?
Mon, November 30, 2009 - 11:55 PMIt did end up under Wendy's post, but the way threading works is that if there are responses to responses to responses, those will appear indented under each other, which pushes multiple responses to the same response down. It vertically lines up though, like the outlines we used to do in grade school. It's all good. -
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Re: what are these combos?
Tue, December 1, 2009 - 6:04 PMUh oh... Mine don't show up that way... -
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Re: what are these combos?
Tue, December 1, 2009 - 7:59 PMit also depends on whether you are viewing them as threaded or unthreaded. Unthreaded, all new posts show up at the bottom. Threaded, they'll show up below who they're responding to. -
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Re: what are these combos?
Tue, December 1, 2009 - 8:31 PMYa ya. Dats right.
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