Tribe.net. Local Connections violet http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/82c25b15-8012-48c9-9221-649e0f06dd0e#a527261c-608b-4c76-b07e-1778caa3cb6c 2008-06-28T11:01:19Z 2008-06-28T11:01:19Z

re the cue for this move ... i learned the move as Sandi describes it, along with a cue where the horizontal left arm rotates slightly, turning palm more upwards. So it begins with a normal double bump, then cue (left arm rotates so palm is turned upward - when the arm is down only, eg on the 1 and 2 counts!) and the next set flips on the one and finishes 4 cts, then flips back, continuing till move is changed.

violet 2008-06-28T11:01:19Z Diana http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/82c25b15-8012-48c9-9221-649e0f06dd0e#3e384090-45d0-4ff5-bd44-f9cedc333772 2008-05-25T13:38:44Z 2008-05-25T13:38:44Z

Cool cool! It'll be good to have an actual person showing me :)

Diana 2008-05-25T13:38:44Z Valizan http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/82c25b15-8012-48c9-9221-649e0f06dd0e#da06dadc-e21a-4126-9eee-b771bbe6fdc0 2008-05-25T07:53:44Z 2008-05-25T07:53:44Z

Miss Di, I'll show you when I see you in Erie. :)

Valizan 2008-05-25T07:53:44Z principessa crankypants http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/82c25b15-8012-48c9-9221-649e0f06dd0e#77ef02f3-8ddb-40d4-b7fe-a88dbbd3a7d4 2008-05-24T15:33:26Z 2008-05-24T15:33:26Z

it moves around the same way as a pivot bump, except you're still moving the right foot toe-heel for 2 counts each, you're just propelling yourself around at the same time.

principessa crankypants 2008-05-24T15:33:26Z Diana http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/82c25b15-8012-48c9-9221-649e0f06dd0e#74a33b77-5266-47c2-b2e3-b3a08a6e2ab4 2008-05-24T15:06:03Z 2008-05-24T15:06:03Z

Yeah....I guess I was wondering more how it moved and got around than anything.

Diana 2008-05-24T15:06:03Z Valizan http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/82c25b15-8012-48c9-9221-649e0f06dd0e#526763a9-88d7-4398-9ee1-eca1dc6c6b86 2008-05-23T23:28:45Z 2008-05-23T23:28:45Z

Hey Miss Di, I went and took a look at the Pura performance and they aren't doing halfsies on those, it looked more like Choo choo's that pivoted one third each time until it came back to front.

Valizan 2008-05-23T23:28:45Z Sandi http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/82c25b15-8012-48c9-9221-649e0f06dd0e#14b7a3af-4fb7-4da4-a848-86173c361dc1 2008-05-23T19:33:47Z 2008-05-23T19:33:47Z

Those are all Double Bumps pivoting. Not flips. Ya, I don't think we have any handy videos of the flip for ya. Sorry!

Sandi 2008-05-23T19:33:47Z Diana http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/82c25b15-8012-48c9-9221-649e0f06dd0e#576cb698-f8e4-43b8-a83a-9e0d14bb4bee 2008-05-23T18:59:42Z 2008-05-23T18:59:42Z

Here are a few links to where I saw it being done and it looks awesome! Here at 2:24 http://youtube.com/watch?v=fQ3YOPot7Yo Here at 0:11 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fFj6EAC4F0 And here at 3:31 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHliBrA2fsA&feature=related

Diana 2008-05-23T18:59:42Z Valizan http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/82c25b15-8012-48c9-9221-649e0f06dd0e#99ca6488-e018-474c-801b-fe206a47cea4 2008-05-23T18:45:18Z 2008-05-23T18:45:18Z

::goes off and tries flipping on the one (hey... simmer down, keep it polite!):: Oh! Verrah noice and you get all four counts, back and front.

Valizan 2008-05-23T18:45:18Z Valizan http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/82c25b15-8012-48c9-9221-649e0f06dd0e#30130477-a80b-4728-a383-b5320e44c267 2008-05-23T18:42:06Z 2008-05-23T18:42:06Z

Nevermind my last sentence, Sandi answered the question. :)

Valizan 2008-05-23T18:42:06Z Valizan http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/82c25b15-8012-48c9-9221-649e0f06dd0e#143a441d-45ce-4c1f-8567-b733ccbdbe5d 2008-05-23T18:41:14Z 2008-05-23T18:41:14Z

Hm. Okay. I'll try to transcribe my mental process (Warning: Contents may splash about and taste like cola) Go through regular double bump When you are ready (ready? READY NOW?! ;-))): You do your two bumps forward on 1-2, but you change angle slightly to the left on the and before the one. This is your cue. Finish your back count, 3-4. On one-two you do your bumps forward. On 3-4 you pivot on the left leg to turn halfway, landing on four. The ever important "And..." is the pause before you go again. Arms on this are similar to Double back, except they have Bumpy arms ;-)))). On the pivot (3 I think...) right arm sweeps 'round with the pivot while left sweeps up in back to get that lovely spiralling effect when you turn. On one, you raise right arm strong like you normally would in DB. In your version, Principessa Majora, is the flip on the "And?" That would really make this move superfast, no?

Valizan 2008-05-23T18:41:14Z Sandi http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/82c25b15-8012-48c9-9221-649e0f06dd0e#2b76953b-91d7-4772-8d09-e0ce554b6afa 2008-05-23T18:36:22Z 2008-05-23T18:36:22Z

That is... you're flipping to the back on the one and finish the 4 cts of the double bump. Then flip around to the front again on "one". BAM!

Sandi 2008-05-23T18:36:22Z principessa crankypants http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/82c25b15-8012-48c9-9221-649e0f06dd0e#5fdad003-f359-4025-91cd-ff2194803f9a 2008-05-23T17:56:00Z 2008-05-23T17:56:00Z

I don't know that there is actually one in a video-Diane said she's seen it in some videos, so it would be great if she could post a link. Basically, you do one double bump (4 full counts) facing front, then it flips to facing back for 4 cts. I hope you can visualize that. The only video I know of that it's on is an old Ethnic Dance Festival performance, and I have no way to get it up on the internet.

principessa crankypants 2008-05-23T17:56:00Z Valizan http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/82c25b15-8012-48c9-9221-649e0f06dd0e#8a5f63d3-9792-419e-9fc6-def03cf9c570 2008-05-23T17:35:25Z 2008-05-23T17:35:25Z

You want one? I figured one out yesterday. But I can someone post a link so I can see what YOU are calling a DBhalf turn.

Valizan 2008-05-23T17:35:25Z principessa crankypants http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/82c25b15-8012-48c9-9221-649e0f06dd0e#3f7f777b-7132-4b50-920b-7ac40038036a 2008-05-23T16:39:42Z 2008-05-23T16:39:42Z

see, that's the thing. The half turn is more of a flip. In the Cues and Tattoos video, it's a pivoting double bump. The first pivot Carolena does is fast, because she took a longer step, but then you can see that it doesn't flip back around to the front right away. In a half turn, it would be a very crisp flip to the back, then flip to the front. Funny, I was just thinking the other day about how I'd love it if there were a cue for this so we could use it more often. I like the way it looks.

principessa crankypants 2008-05-23T16:39:42Z Diana http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/82c25b15-8012-48c9-9221-649e0f06dd0e#0a478c8c-824d-4548-a717-fea6526db721 2008-05-23T16:04:18Z 2008-05-23T16:04:18Z

I like the word flip better :)~

Diana 2008-05-23T16:04:18Z principessa crankypants http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/82c25b15-8012-48c9-9221-649e0f06dd0e#599245df-a691-47f3-85e6-a8629ec1abb4 2008-05-23T15:41:50Z 2008-05-23T15:41:50Z

hey Diana, I hope I didn't give you wrong information-I looked at the cues and tattooes video, and there is no double bump half turn in it. Have you seen it in another video? It's funny, I've done it, but never thought of it as a half turn, I always, in my own head, called it a 'flip'. But it really is a half turn. And like Sandi said, there is no cue, so you'd talk about it beforehand.

principessa crankypants 2008-05-23T15:41:50Z Diana http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/82c25b15-8012-48c9-9221-649e0f06dd0e#9bff5f68-ac35-4cb8-b569-828c854c1dd5 2008-05-23T14:09:00Z 2008-05-23T14:09:00Z

Thanks Sandi :) I've seen you girls do it in a bunch of videos on youtube and it seems like it would definitely be a good idea to discuss doing it before actually doing it :)

Diana 2008-05-23T14:09:00Z Valizan http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/82c25b15-8012-48c9-9221-649e0f06dd0e#58398081-c2a3-482e-b23b-fde2b7e1afc6 2008-05-23T07:58:49Z 2008-05-23T07:58:49Z

So after posting earlier this afternoon (yesterday for many of you) I HAD to go try it. :) It lives!!! MWAAAhahahahaha ....coughcoughdamnpollencoughcough ... Mwahha... oh fergit it.

Valizan 2008-05-23T07:58:49Z Sandi http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/82c25b15-8012-48c9-9221-649e0f06dd0e#46e9be01-f838-4855-9cd8-437aa48b0e6f 2008-05-23T07:50:32Z 2008-05-23T07:50:32Z

The only time we use a Double Bump half turn is if we discuss it beforehand. It's not a standard move.

Sandi 2008-05-23T07:50:32Z principessa crankypants http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/82c25b15-8012-48c9-9221-649e0f06dd0e#80de6961-a5a5-45fd-b264-c6b08bfe8036 2008-05-22T16:56:07Z 2008-05-22T16:56:07Z

Per the other discussion going on, we now call it a double bump, and there is no half turn with a double bump. Ha ha! and now is the part where I get to use the FAQ tribe! http://ats.tribe.net/thread/e53f2b4d-2499-43cb-ad2f-e488f6990412 halfway down is a description of the 'cue' for the SB half turn-it's a more emphatic gesture with the hands and arms, something you learn to recognize with time. For more info on the hip bump family, see here for links: http://tribes.tribe.net/atsfaq/thread/3fabca79-c049-4bdd-8b7a-47545014bfa1

principessa crankypants 2008-05-22T16:56:07Z april http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/82c25b15-8012-48c9-9221-649e0f06dd0e#d21700fa-5a42-4d43-b7a9-6cd000fece71 2008-05-22T16:56:00Z 2008-05-22T16:56:00Z

The double bump has a half turn?! It's not on my grand list of steps from GS & workshops, but that might just be us not having picked it up. The single bump's 1/2 turn starts with a 1/4 turn, and since you don't do 1/4 turns with that step, you know the 1/2 is coming. I would assume a double bump 1/2 turn started the same? It seems like it'd be pretty awkward, though.

april 2008-05-22T16:56:00Z Valizan http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/82c25b15-8012-48c9-9221-649e0f06dd0e#4a73fcd0-410f-4c84-bc44-4882d0a1d1c8 2008-05-22T16:53:22Z 2008-05-22T16:53:22Z

There is a half turn on a choo choo double? I know there is the single bump pivot turn from Volume 7. But I'm interested in knowing how to half turn a choo choo double mesself!

Valizan 2008-05-22T16:53:22Z Diana http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/82c25b15-8012-48c9-9221-649e0f06dd0e#995c4c7a-20ca-412e-ba7e-5c206842b79b 2008-05-22T16:29:45Z 2008-05-22T16:29:45Z

I totally forgot to add the part of the question.....how to cue for the half turn. Wow. So....how do you cue a choo choo double half turn? There...that's better :)

Diana 2008-05-22T16:29:45Z Diana http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/82c25b15-8012-48c9-9221-649e0f06dd0e#f83aaf94-b8ed-46ee-b570-51e045205d9e 2008-05-22T16:28:22Z 2008-05-22T16:28:22Z

I meant the choo choo double. I learned it with a different name and though I tell my students the proper name, I fall back into the wrong name. So sorry.

Diana 2008-05-22T16:28:22Z april http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/82c25b15-8012-48c9-9221-649e0f06dd0e#3b62d05d-9a3a-46c2-b314-a18e6bf12aa6 2008-05-22T16:01:41Z 2008-05-22T16:01:41Z

Are you talking about going into the double bump, or travelling with it? Going into it with the arm position is fairly obvious if you transition from another step that looks different - that is the only cue I know for it. It's particularly easy to catch & seems to flow nicely out of hip bump and any step with the arms both raised. It's hard to catch & looks really similar to Sununda & Double Back. Travelling with this step is so slow that it seems really easy to follow, with the angle of the body changing like it does with plain old choo choo.

april 2008-05-22T16:01:41Z Diana http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/82c25b15-8012-48c9-9221-649e0f06dd0e#ec8bf345-5b9e-4afa-b1ed-aa48ffe64d4b 2008-05-22T13:43:07Z 2008-05-22T13:43:07Z

Is there one and if there is, what is it? It seems so fast! :)

Diana 2008-05-22T13:43:07Z