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Re: Reverse Shimmy
Sat, November 21, 2009 - 2:12 AMinstead of the up-down-up motion of the hips on each step with the 3/4 shimmy....the hip goes down-up-down with each step. -
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Re: Reverse Shimmy
Sat, November 21, 2009 - 4:51 AMAnd you are stepping on a bent knee!!
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Re: Reverse Shimmy
Sat, November 21, 2009 - 8:43 AMSo it is a 3/4 shimmy on the down with an emphasized down? -
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Re: Reverse Shimmy
Sat, November 21, 2009 - 9:01 AMYes, the down is the "down"beat. ;}
And you're not stepping on a bent knee. It is just the same as a regular shimmy, as far as stepping goes. Once you get to full time shimmies, the up-down-ups and down-up-downs are done "in the air" so to speak, not using the floor, but using the obliques to create the effects so that you are just stepping on each beat with equally soft knees. -
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Re: Reverse Shimmy
Sat, November 21, 2009 - 9:30 AMI always seem to perceive that my hips go out more to the side in the reverse shimmy than they do with the regular shimmy, sort of like drawing a heart shape - out and down to the right, then to the left. Am I just imagining it, or do you think it's an element of the reverse shimmy that's different from the regular shimmy? -
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Re: Reverse Shimmy
Sat, November 21, 2009 - 9:32 AMI really don't think I want to retrain my muscles to do this. :-/ -
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Re: Reverse Shimmy
Sat, November 21, 2009 - 8:30 PMJust give it a go - its fun! If you can already do a shimmy you can do the reverse with practice. Its also a great alternative to the shimmy for travelling / roving. Perhaps just try practising the move slowly then building up tempo when you can. One of my favourite ATS moves! -
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Re: Reverse Shimmy
Sat, November 21, 2009 - 10:07 PMYou know what is funny Madonna? I don't think I have EVER used this move in an ATS context!
From the video I've seen of this, it looks like a maya with a shimmy on top. Up and over, up and over... -
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Re: Reverse Shimmy
Sun, November 22, 2009 - 8:23 AMMy friend who does both fusion and ATS also said that, Valizan. I was taught it as an arc back to front with each hip; the energy is directed out the back rather than out the front. It's a terribly fun move.
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Re: Reverse Shimmy
Sun, November 22, 2009 - 12:28 PMThis is how I was taught it, Valizan, and how I see it as well.
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Re: Reverse Shimmy
Fri, January 1, 2010 - 1:17 PMI don't think I've ever used this move in an ATS context, either. In fact, this one went right over my head. -
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Re: Reverse Shimmy
Fri, January 1, 2010 - 6:01 PMI think I've heard that it's not commonly used because audiences don't know the difference between it and a standard 3/4. -
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Re: Reverse Shimmy
Sat, January 2, 2010 - 10:49 AMyeah, it's not commonly used, not so much because the audience doesn't know the difference, but I think more because we just forget about it. :-) -
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Re: Reverse Shimmy
Sat, January 2, 2010 - 11:12 AMNow I'm going to throw it in every chance I get. ;D -
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Re: Reverse Shimmy
Thu, January 21, 2010 - 7:44 AMSorry but I´m still confused.
Is a Reverse Shimmy the same as a Reverse Taxeem Shimmy?
And if it`s the same is it only a 3/4 shimmy on the down ( for me that would mean the hips could stay centert, they don`t need to go out)
or is it a reverse Taxeem ( hips go up, out, down) layerd with a 3/4 shimmy on the down?
Thanks
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Re: Reverse Shimmy
Thu, January 21, 2010 - 9:29 AMyeah, Mareike, it is like a reverse Taxeem in that the hips do go out, but they go out, down, up, down. -
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Re: Reverse Shimmy
Thu, January 21, 2010 - 10:40 AMI find I get sympathetic arm undulation going instead of the shimmy's usual static arm. Is this OK? Or do I have to overcome the invisible muscle memory strings that are working during taxeem? -
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Re: Reverse Shimmy
Thu, January 21, 2010 - 10:32 PMhuh, I've never really noticed, but that makes sense... -
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Re: Reverse Shimmy
Fri, January 22, 2010 - 11:09 AMWait. Why are we talking about taxeem and shimmy in the same move? The Reverse Taxeem is slow. The Reverse Shimmy is fast. I'm confused here too.
Reverse Shimmy is a down-up-down on each beat/step. Just like the regular Shimmy is up-down-up on each beat/step. Arms are horizontal, loose wrists while playing zils, matching the hips (rocking over and out, rather than swinging under and out). This is fast.
Reverse Taxeem is a reverse direction of the regular Taxeem. Up through the center over and down, as opposed to down through the center out and up. For both, the arms are matching the hips. This is slow and a-rhythmic.
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Re: Reverse Shimmy
Fri, January 22, 2010 - 11:55 AM> Arms are horizontal, loose wrists while playing zils, matching the hips (rocking over and out, rather than swinging under and out). This is fast.
Thanks - this is what I was asking about. I worked on it a little last night. I was able to get the arms more horizontal instead of huge undulations, but I kept losing the shimmy! I will keep drilling - would love to start using this one more! -
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Re: Reverse Shimmy
Fri, January 22, 2010 - 12:34 PMBut there is no arm undulation in the Reverse Shimmy. This is why I'm confused. -
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Re: Reverse Shimmy
Fri, January 22, 2010 - 1:21 PMWe are talking about taxeem and shimmy in the same move, because it`s on DVD 4 in the chapter layering :-)
There is a move where a reverse Taxeem is layerd over a shimmy on the down, it`s a fast movement.
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Re: Reverse Shimmy
Sat, January 23, 2010 - 2:38 AMDood, I don't know how that is possible. Taxeem is exclusively slow, not fast. I'll have to check out that video.
It could be something that was phased out before my time. Or maybe a terminology issue.
Tho, I could see something like that happening in a solo, but not in a lead/follow situation.
Not a very good angle/light/example, but at about 9:41 I do a Reverse Shimmy. Trying to find a better example.
www.youtube.com/watch
Here, at :25, Rina does a Reverse Shimmy - again, poor quality video upload
www.youtube.com/watch
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Re: Reverse Shimmy
Sat, January 23, 2010 - 9:32 AMI do see it as similar to a reverse taxeem in that the hips do go out and down, so it's a similar gesture, only rhythmic with a shimmy layered over it. -
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Re: Reverse Shimmy
Sat, January 23, 2010 - 11:06 AMHmm...that's confusing to me, as I think of the Taxeem (in the ATS sense) as only slow movement. And Shimmy is only fast. My brain just doesn't mix the two concepts, unless it is a specialty thing.
Still, there is no arm undulation in the Reverse Shimmy. I know that much! ;D -
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Re: Reverse Shimmy
Sun, January 24, 2010 - 8:53 AMI think what I do is I'm seeing the shape of the move. To me the shape of the rev shimmy is similar to the shape of the rev shimmy, the same way the shape of the body wave and Arabic are similar. -
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Re: Reverse Shimmy
Sun, January 24, 2010 - 8:58 AMBlargh! Rev shimmy and revTAXEEM, is what I was TRYING to say.
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Re: Reverse Shimmy
Thu, February 25, 2010 - 12:00 PMYes, what Wendy said. It's the SHAPE, not specifically the TEMPO of the move we're talking about. -
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Re: Reverse Shimmy
Wed, March 3, 2010 - 6:27 AMUnless the reverse shimmy has changed since I learned it - just the movement itself is different from that of a reverse taxeem, at least in my opinion.
Reverse Taxeen (mia or what is called a vertical 8 on the down): The hip extends outward then downward and repeats other side as weight is shifted.
Reverse shimmy (haghala (sp?) or 3/4 on the down): The hip comes down on the weighted foot then comes up then down again and repeats on other side as weight shifts to other foot.
They don't look at all alike and definitely feels very different....my two cents.
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Re: Reverse Shimmy
Wed, March 3, 2010 - 11:55 AMExcept in my experience, haglhalla has a twist and downward "whump" accent to it, while the reverse shimmy does not. -
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Re: Reverse Shimmy
Thu, March 4, 2010 - 5:13 AM>>Except in my experience, haglhalla has a twist and downward "whump" accent to it, while the reverse shimmy does not>>
True - I do agree with that however while there is no twist to the reverse shimmy, there definitely is a distinctive downward accent when doing it on the down.
<g> still maybe I'm remembering it differently than the rest of the folks.
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Re: Reverse Shimmy
Thu, March 4, 2010 - 12:33 PMWe use the Reverse Shimmy, but we'll plan it, ferinstance, this month every time one of us cues an Egyptian full turn we'll use the reverse shimmy to come out of it, until we get bored with that and decide to tack it on somewhere else.....I love the way it looks, but it's really hard to read the cue (at least for me, or maybe I'm cueing it incorrectly?)
and I also learned haglhalla with twist and whump :-) - no twist no whump in reverse shimmy as far as I know. -
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Re: Reverse Shimmy
Thu, March 4, 2010 - 1:23 PMIt is a subtle difference that is hard to cue, which is why reverse shimmy and regular shimmy don't get put together. Just as reverse and regular taxeems don't either. Too hard for followers to pick up on.
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Re: Reverse Shimmy
Thu, February 25, 2010 - 11:18 AMThat's what Rachel Brice said, too, at her workshop at the fatchance studios in January.
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Re: Reverse Shimmy
Sat, November 21, 2009 - 9:52 AMThey do go out a little further, but not much. It may just be that they look different than the regular shimmy, just like the regular and reverse taxeem. Let's go over it today in Drills class. :} -
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Re: Reverse Shimmy
Sun, January 24, 2010 - 11:52 AMOther than solos, is there any particular time when this is best-used in a fast piece?
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Re: Reverse Shimmy
Mon, September 27, 2010 - 10:25 AMLeigh: I always seem to perceive that my hips go out more to the side in the reverse shimmy than they do with the regular shimmy, sort of like drawing a heart shape - out and down to the right, then to the left. Am I just imagining it, or do you think it's an element of the reverse shimmy that's different from the regular shimmy?
Well, there are two varieties - one neutral when it´s really under you body, and one when it goes more to the sides. the latter one actually looks like layered with a maya. I heard two different names for it - maya bounce or overshimmy. -
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Re: Reverse Shimmy
Tue, June 26, 2012 - 6:15 PMHmm, hope it works to add a comment to a now 2-year-old thread!
I've been trying to get clearer on ATS Reverse Shimmy. Turns out that although it is covered in the prior editon of vol. 4 (under the heading "Layering"), it seems to have been omitted from the 2010 edition. In any case, here's Anita and Kristine doing Reverse Shimmy in Aug. 2011, see at 16:12:
www.youtube.com/watch
What I'd appreciate hearing about is how you FCBD gals teach this move. What do you tell your students to do, what breakdown do you give?
Thanks so much for any input!
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Re: Reverse Shimmy
Sun, November 22, 2009 - 5:56 PMSo glad you asked this! =) -
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Re: Reverse Shimmy
Sun, November 22, 2009 - 11:04 PMHey Valizan, me neither. I guess I have never been able to speed it up, and so it kind of feels like what other dancers call a variationof a Maya with a smallish step on the first down of a down/up/down sequence on one hip then on the other hip. -
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Re: Reverse Shimmy
Mon, November 23, 2009 - 2:06 PMWe just practiced this move last week in troupe class, namely because I hardly ever do it, so the other ladies don't really think to do it either. But, on the same token I don't pull out reverse taxeem very often either.
I do really like this move, but use it only sparingly. -
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Re: Reverse Shimmy
Mon, November 23, 2009 - 2:48 PMits a hard move to cue... I use it in solo's mostly. :) -
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Re: Reverse Shimmy
Mon, November 23, 2009 - 4:08 PM
Kinda like the reverse taxeem where you have to make the first move (right side) very obvious. -
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Re: Reverse Shimmy
Thu, December 31, 2009 - 12:23 AMCan anyone tell me which of the FC DVD's this is on?
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Re: Reverse Shimmy
Thu, December 31, 2009 - 8:47 AMI don't know that it's on any of them. Could be wrong, though.
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Re: Reverse Shimmy
Thu, December 31, 2009 - 10:38 AMIt is on DVD 4 under layering. jms -
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Re: Reverse Shimmy
Thu, December 31, 2009 - 12:46 PMAh, that'd be why I couldn't find it.
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Re: Reverse Shimmy
Fri, January 1, 2010 - 1:41 AMThank you, I must have missed it.
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Re: Reverse Shimmy
Mon, March 8, 2010 - 8:24 AMSorry to respond so late, and I hope not to confuse things further hehe! But, in the GS we were also taught the "cat walk" type shimmy wich is very similar to the hagala in that you are stepping on balls of feet, one in front of the other, and hips are down up down and with the foot stepping on the 3d down (down beat). Anyone? :D dont you just love us first timer GSers? :D -
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Re: Reverse Shimmy
Mon, March 8, 2010 - 10:46 AMHmm... I know Carolena usually uses the "catwalk" visual for the regular Shimmy, not the Reverse, but I could be mistaken.
In the catwalk scenario, she usually shows the difference between the regular, up-down-up Shimmy (nightclub) and the Ghawazee (country). This crossing of the feet, one in front of the other, gives roundness, bounce and dimension to the regular Shimmy when traveling. The Reverse Shimmy doesn't travel easily - a little bit awkward. Both the regular Shimmy and Reverse Shimmy are done with feet close together while stationary. -
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Re: Reverse Shimmy
Mon, March 8, 2010 - 11:06 AMSandi's correct. The 'catwalk' is applied to the Regular Shimmy Step, not the reverse shimmy.
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Re: Reverse Shimmy
Mon, March 8, 2010 - 1:12 PMok, I think I'm still talking about the same thing . . ha! I am watching the video, and on Vol 4, Layering, Carolena says "the shimmy can also be layered over the reverse taxseem to create a walking or stationary step" . . then in the description . .
"simply apply up down up to each outward roll of the hip"
What it looks like is an up down up and an extra down when she places her foot down almost creating an illusion of a shimmy on the down.
then it appears as though a taxseem is only a slow move in 99.9% of the vocab, but utilized here as a fast movement. (mah heads starting to 'splode)
So its a fast reverse taxseem layered with a shimmy, which I think is what the originator of this thread is referring to. yes? no? -
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Re: Reverse Shimmy
Sat, August 7, 2010 - 1:43 PMFrom what I can see in volume 4, it appears as though Carolena is doing an alternating shimmy (aka knee shimmy, 4/4 shimmy, alternating glute squeezes, etc) as she does a reverse taxim (aka Maya). A 3/4 shimmy on the down has a totally different look. I have never heard a reference to "reverse shimmy" on any of the FCBD DVD's.
I like the idea of using a 3/4 on the down shimmy in a solo or tacked on at a planned point. I can't imagine how anyone could pick up 3/4 down vs 3/4 up from just an emphatic step or hip movement. If so....I am truly in awe. -
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Re: Reverse Shimmy
Thu, September 2, 2010 - 4:48 PMMegha does an awesome reverse shimmy but for the life of me I cant find any youtubage of it right now -
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Re: Reverse Shimmy
Fri, September 3, 2010 - 4:37 AMHere's one at 0:54 (not by Megha though):
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Re: Reverse Shimmy
Tue, June 26, 2012 - 8:03 PMIt's not an alternating shimmy, Barbara, it's a 3/4 shimmy. -
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Re: Reverse Shimmy
Tue, June 26, 2012 - 10:30 PMwhen i was doing fusion with Lava, she taught us the shimmy on the down beat and the maya with a 'shimmy on the down' overlay as two distinct moves...
somewhat difficult, but hella fun :)
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