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Is that the same as the Forward Forward Drop drop Drop on Vol. 4?
~Nancy
~Nancy
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Virginia
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Re: Up2 Down3
Mon, March 29, 2010 - 10:41 AMUp 2 Down 3 is a hip bump movement on the right. Swiveling forward and up twice and then down 3 times as if on a spiral staircase.
I think what you're talking about is the Arabic 123. Which is two Arabics (sometimes traveling forward) and 3 chest drops, in place, doing a level. -
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Re: Up2 Down3
Mon, March 29, 2010 - 1:47 PMI think the oldest version of Vol 4 listed the U2D3 as the "forward, forward, drop, drop, drop". I don't have that version, but I've seen it posted elseware as part of the hip articulations section in the old video seen here...
www.shira.net/videorevws/...vol4-adv.htm
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Re: Up2 Down3
Mon, March 29, 2010 - 2:09 PMOn Volume 4, the movement called "Forward Forward Drop Drop Drop" is the Up2 Down3. Arabic 1-2-3 is the same name on the video. -
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Re: Up2 Down3
Mon, March 29, 2010 - 3:33 PMHmm...okay. We used to call the Arabic 123 the Drop Drop Drop. So, I guess there is some confusion. I don't have Vol 4 to refer to. Sorry!
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Re: Up2 Down3
Thu, April 1, 2010 - 7:06 AMOK, thanks.
U2D3 = FFDDD
All is well; time for me to get with the times! -
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Re: Up2 Down3
Sat, April 23, 2011 - 9:37 PMand speaking of the Up2Down3.....
this is the one that goes immediately into its turn CCW which is the cue that it IS the Up2Down3, as opposed to Reach & Sit or the Single Bump which usually have a couple of counts in performance angle before heading off into a turn....
or am i completely off my rocker on this one? :D -
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Re: Up2 Down3
Sun, April 24, 2011 - 2:00 AMI don't think it has to turn immediately - the cue that it isn't the reach and sit is the different arms and if you don't catch the different hip move straight away it's the military zill pattern.
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Re: Up2 Down3
Sun, April 24, 2011 - 7:03 AMI agree with Alicia. I don't think it has to turn. Granted, I'm no expert, though. ^_~ My troupe isn't a fan of this move, so we do it quite rarely, but when we do, it's usually in place. Even more rarely do we actually turn it. Our cue is the right hip going higher than it would for a normal hip bump or reach and sit, which gives us a bit more room to fit in the 3 drops. And if the followers don't catch that, then there's the military pattern to catch. But if there's some rule on the Up 2 Down 3 that I'm not aware of, please enlighten me! :D -
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Re: Up2 Down3
Mon, April 25, 2011 - 11:26 AMVicky- the only other move that it might get confused with is the single bump. But it would only be for the first count that they look similar. It shouldn't get confused with the Reach and Sit. The arms and the action of the hips are quite different.
With the up2down3, the hip goes up on 1 and up on 2 and might even lift higher on 2& before going into the drops on 3&4. This should look pretty different from the single bump hips which go back on the 2.
If you do want to work this move back into your repertoire, you might try going into single bump only following double bump and/or going into up2down3 from pivot bump arms where you lower them to shoulder height. You also might want to try drilling the up2down3 to Abu Leila from Music of the Fellahin. And turning them really is fantastic. I don't think I even do it without turning.
I guess what I'm saying is that you might want to try and give this move another shot. ;-) -
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Re: Up2 Down3
Mon, April 25, 2011 - 12:38 PMnormally i don't have too much trouble catching it [SB half turns i sometimes don't catch instantly ;)] ... except lately we've been dancing in a formation of 6, and when you are that back 6th person, and really all you can see are the arms at horizontal and the person turns immediately, you are out of sight lines quickly, and i think somewhere along the way i registered the idea that U2D3 turned immediately, and the others didn't, and now if someone turns immediately with *h* arms, my brain says U2D3.... so i'm thinking i need to get out of that habit, if it's not right. i was sure i got that tidbit at GS, but maybe not... too many workshops, too many instructors to know for sure! i guess the other thing i could do is turn slower for the first 4 counts until i pick up the visual from someone else, and then get up to speed?? -
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Re: Up2 Down3
Mon, April 25, 2011 - 2:30 PMYeah, I don't know what to say about the 6 person formation. I don't feel like these moves weren't designed to communicate that far away. Sight lines would seem to get really fuzzy.
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Re: Up2 Down3
Mon, April 25, 2011 - 2:46 PMthey're totally not, but we don't have time to play with a chorus and smaller formations. time is limited, so we decided to do this... and have also decided we're going to hold the SB and RnS for 2-4 counts before turning it. but i still think i'd better get clarification from Ms.C. on the correct procedures for them all :) i've been watching the DVD, no mention, and YouTube... and it *appears* that U2D3 is off the mark turning, but again, these vids can be deceiving sometimes depending on angles etc...
oh well, it will all get straightened out, i'm sure :) and thanks for everyone's input :)
xo
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Re: Up2 Down3
Mon, May 16, 2011 - 7:52 AMWhenever we've used the Up2Down3 we usually do a couple on the spot to give everyone a chance to pick the move and the zill pattern up before turning the move CCW. Generally it then takes 4 repetitions to get you back onto performance angle which everyone knows so theoretically the troupe should move in unison...
