http://ats.tribe.net/thread/aa69b05d-1ed1-402e-a06b-54194f69b1e8?format=rss Tribe.net. Local Connections http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/aa69b05d-1ed1-402e-a06b-54194f69b1e8#27f559ea-6481-4d92-89fa-418e567fd844 Hi Wendy, just to add more confusion; Do you ever travel (to the right) with double hip bumps, or do you tend to keep it as a stationary move? That could relate to dropping the 'choo choo' off the name Thanks, Kirsty Thu, 22 May 2008 16:23:15 GMT http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/aa69b05d-1ed1-402e-a06b-54194f69b1e8#27f559ea-6481-4d92-89fa-418e567fd844 Kirsty 2008-05-22T16:23:15Z http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/aa69b05d-1ed1-402e-a06b-54194f69b1e8#78b582c9-0e4d-48e2-b772-7a7aade785a1 Definitely... its going to be one of those never ending questions LOL Thu, 22 May 2008 15:53:36 GMT http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/aa69b05d-1ed1-402e-a06b-54194f69b1e8#78b582c9-0e4d-48e2-b772-7a7aade785a1 Lisa 2008-05-22T15:53:36Z http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/aa69b05d-1ed1-402e-a06b-54194f69b1e8#431159ad-7362-46e8-92d6-ec3a6f1d8a35 Yeah!!! Keep it simple!!! Thu, 22 May 2008 15:51:36 GMT http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/aa69b05d-1ed1-402e-a06b-54194f69b1e8#431159ad-7362-46e8-92d6-ec3a6f1d8a35 principessa crankypants 2008-05-22T15:51:36Z http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/aa69b05d-1ed1-402e-a06b-54194f69b1e8#f0d8f2fa-66e0-4cbc-ba5b-d6d395799d7a Thanks Wendy. That makes everything a whooooole lot easier Thu, 22 May 2008 15:50:04 GMT http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/aa69b05d-1ed1-402e-a06b-54194f69b1e8#f0d8f2fa-66e0-4cbc-ba5b-d6d395799d7a Lisa 2008-05-22T15:50:04Z http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/aa69b05d-1ed1-402e-a06b-54194f69b1e8#75201f39-e2d0-46ca-8a44-b24c69662662 We just call them ALL double bumps. We haven't used the term double choo choo since I've been in the troupe. Thu, 22 May 2008 15:48:23 GMT http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/aa69b05d-1ed1-402e-a06b-54194f69b1e8#75201f39-e2d0-46ca-8a44-b24c69662662 principessa crankypants 2008-05-22T15:48:23Z http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/aa69b05d-1ed1-402e-a06b-54194f69b1e8#52a964d1-4ec7-4a51-8a6f-1b4379a12674 Wendy is it right to assume that a double bump is stationery and a choo choo double moves to the right? Thanks! Thu, 22 May 2008 15:33:59 GMT http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/aa69b05d-1ed1-402e-a06b-54194f69b1e8#52a964d1-4ec7-4a51-8a6f-1b4379a12674 Lisa 2008-05-22T15:33:59Z http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/aa69b05d-1ed1-402e-a06b-54194f69b1e8#91d1d681-25fa-4e47-85fb-b2ba0f1b6b33 That is a double bump. The name has changed from Double Choo Choo to Double Bump. Thu, 22 May 2008 15:30:44 GMT http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/aa69b05d-1ed1-402e-a06b-54194f69b1e8#91d1d681-25fa-4e47-85fb-b2ba0f1b6b33 principessa crankypants 2008-05-22T15:30:44Z http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/aa69b05d-1ed1-402e-a06b-54194f69b1e8#e2a15d05-2d5c-4b88-8391-4e3563bb8f89 see, now, I woulda thought the first clip at 3:06 would be called doubles/double hip bumps. I think I need clarification on what a double choo-choo is. Thu, 22 May 2008 13:04:40 GMT http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/aa69b05d-1ed1-402e-a06b-54194f69b1e8#e2a15d05-2d5c-4b88-8391-4e3563bb8f89 Ottavina 2008-05-22T13:04:40Z http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/aa69b05d-1ed1-402e-a06b-54194f69b1e8#176bafee-d71f-437a-9fcc-5b3c1eea30c2 that was the first thing I ever learned as a "choo-choo" as well! Since then I've seen about five other moves called a choo-choo. Terminology is so fun! Mon, 19 May 2008 18:01:38 GMT http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/aa69b05d-1ed1-402e-a06b-54194f69b1e8#176bafee-d71f-437a-9fcc-5b3c1eea30c2 Durrah 2008-05-19T18:01:38Z http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/aa69b05d-1ed1-402e-a06b-54194f69b1e8#86e2a291-44a7-4aab-9784-fbe5f23b58a4 That's what I thought was a Cabaret "choo choo" as well... AUGH, TERMINOLOGY! Mon, 19 May 2008 12:53:39 GMT http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/aa69b05d-1ed1-402e-a06b-54194f69b1e8#86e2a291-44a7-4aab-9784-fbe5f23b58a4 Sara 2008-05-19T12:53:39Z http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/aa69b05d-1ed1-402e-a06b-54194f69b1e8#20d4e75a-15da-47ae-b02a-ca6a66dd5094 I have been studying bellydance for over 30 years and I have never heard that step described as a choo-choo. I've always known it as the Sohair Zaki step because it was her signature move. Also called hips on the down. The only step I ever heard called a choo-choo in cab style was the choo-choo shimmy which is up on the toes taking very small quick steps to scoot along and generate the shimmy. Sat, 17 May 2008 15:49:44 GMT http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/aa69b05d-1ed1-402e-a06b-54194f69b1e8#20d4e75a-15da-47ae-b02a-ca6a66dd5094 Zanubia 2008-05-17T15:49:44Z http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/aa69b05d-1ed1-402e-a06b-54194f69b1e8#f9c5d5d3-fd98-4712-8a06-39d6adea9467 That's called a choo-choo? Wow...I learned it as "Vertical Drop" in my Egyptian cab classes. Fri, 16 May 2008 15:59:55 GMT http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/aa69b05d-1ed1-402e-a06b-54194f69b1e8#f9c5d5d3-fd98-4712-8a06-39d6adea9467 Maral 2008-05-16T15:59:55Z http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/aa69b05d-1ed1-402e-a06b-54194f69b1e8#ebee344c-41ca-4778-9392-fe961b7952de oh... didn't know it was a 'cab' thing... I just learned it as hips on the down. didn't even know it was considered a choochoo... intersesting. Thu, 15 May 2008 12:19:47 GMT http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/aa69b05d-1ed1-402e-a06b-54194f69b1e8#ebee344c-41ca-4778-9392-fe961b7952de Basha 2008-05-15T12:19:47Z http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/aa69b05d-1ed1-402e-a06b-54194f69b1e8#eb74be13-3c3c-44b1-9cfa-861488dc5562 Yep, I call those "Zaki chonks" Thu, 15 May 2008 11:18:27 GMT http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/aa69b05d-1ed1-402e-a06b-54194f69b1e8#eb74be13-3c3c-44b1-9cfa-861488dc5562 Ulla Carmilla 2008-05-15T11:18:27Z http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/aa69b05d-1ed1-402e-a06b-54194f69b1e8#4c1c5af9-d98c-433e-8451-e4b63715ec32 Just to add even more confusion, i'd call those ones 'chonks' as in Souhair Zaki :) Thu, 15 May 2008 08:58:47 GMT http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/aa69b05d-1ed1-402e-a06b-54194f69b1e8#4c1c5af9-d98c-433e-8451-e4b63715ec32 Stef 2008-05-15T08:58:47Z http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/aa69b05d-1ed1-402e-a06b-54194f69b1e8#7062f599-fd1b-40ad-9080-3daf717b4922 Yes! Thanks Wendy! That is what I learned as well. Wed, 14 May 2008 18:55:35 GMT http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/aa69b05d-1ed1-402e-a06b-54194f69b1e8#7062f599-fd1b-40ad-9080-3daf717b4922 "Shay" 2008-05-14T18:55:35Z http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/aa69b05d-1ed1-402e-a06b-54194f69b1e8#a9553004-a802-47b7-9ec0-1dfe9138101f That's a cabaret choo-choo, although it's actually different than what I learned years ago as a "choo-choo" when I started cab... :) Ah terminology... Wed, 14 May 2008 16:57:19 GMT http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/aa69b05d-1ed1-402e-a06b-54194f69b1e8#a9553004-a802-47b7-9ec0-1dfe9138101f Durrah 2008-05-14T16:57:19Z http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/aa69b05d-1ed1-402e-a06b-54194f69b1e8#abe7507c-7559-4a5f-9bfc-70b05723a988 Back in my student days, we called it a pivot bump, or choo-choo if it moved. I do tend to call the family of movements the hip bump family, if it pivots around itself, pivot bump, if it travels, a choo-choo, and the variations are the double bump and single bump, which some folks in this thread are calling double and single choo-choos. We call those double and single bumps. Wed, 14 May 2008 15:39:13 GMT http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/aa69b05d-1ed1-402e-a06b-54194f69b1e8#abe7507c-7559-4a5f-9bfc-70b05723a988 principessa crankypants 2008-05-14T15:39:13Z http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/aa69b05d-1ed1-402e-a06b-54194f69b1e8#89194819-b437-46af-82de-6d04efa59b0b right! this is what i had to that name http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bd8eqBSInCQ Wed, 14 May 2008 12:10:13 GMT http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/aa69b05d-1ed1-402e-a06b-54194f69b1e8#89194819-b437-46af-82de-6d04efa59b0b kalyani 2008-05-14T12:10:13Z http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/aa69b05d-1ed1-402e-a06b-54194f69b1e8#ac713709-939f-44ea-bc5e-695413660395 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_qi_My1yIU Choo-choo doubles at 3:06-3:15, singles with half turn from 3:15-3:22 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRmBCHt4dDw Doubles at 4:58-5:04, 5:58-6:06, singles at 6:06-6:19 Wed, 14 May 2008 11:16:28 GMT http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/aa69b05d-1ed1-402e-a06b-54194f69b1e8#ac713709-939f-44ea-bc5e-695413660395 Durrah 2008-05-14T11:16:28Z http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/aa69b05d-1ed1-402e-a06b-54194f69b1e8#342affca-129b-4ec1-99c7-ee941230e5f0 does someone have a vid of choo-choos (single or double) cos the only move i've heard associated to that name, i can't do it cos i don't quite get it, but it doesnt sound like anything you girls are describing.... Wed, 14 May 2008 10:23:57 GMT http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/aa69b05d-1ed1-402e-a06b-54194f69b1e8#342affca-129b-4ec1-99c7-ee941230e5f0 kalyani 2008-05-14T10:23:57Z http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/aa69b05d-1ed1-402e-a06b-54194f69b1e8#5e7fd7fc-5efa-47f9-a46b-f214891d4978 It's like any other language; we all speak English, which is preserved to large extent through the written form . . .but regionalities do creep in, along with accents. For instance, if you go to a restaurant here and order an enchilada, you might be asked if you want "Christmas." No, you tell the waiter, that's too long a wait, you're hungry now. But here, "christmas" also means you want half you enchilada covered in green chili, and half in red! :-P Despite name changes, regional differences, etc., if each of you lovely ladies were to descend upon our local group, you'd all be able to dance together--THEREIN lies the true beauty of ATS. The form itself remains in tact; since you are following movement, not language in performing it, the bottom line is it's still the same. Choo-choo!!!!! Thu, 10 Apr 2008 17:55:15 GMT http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/aa69b05d-1ed1-402e-a06b-54194f69b1e8#5e7fd7fc-5efa-47f9-a46b-f214891d4978 chandler 2008-04-10T17:55:15Z http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/aa69b05d-1ed1-402e-a06b-54194f69b1e8#9f19dfea-181b-4016-8c1d-3d7141eb9a2c I think for now I will stick to calling the hip bumps (with arm position 1 & 2, it can travel, turn, and w/arc arms), singles, and doubles. Until something comes down from on high ;) Wed, 09 Apr 2008 22:01:50 GMT http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/aa69b05d-1ed1-402e-a06b-54194f69b1e8#9f19dfea-181b-4016-8c1d-3d7141eb9a2c "Shay" 2008-04-09T22:01:50Z http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/aa69b05d-1ed1-402e-a06b-54194f69b1e8#01a644aa-060e-43f4-bb2b-ab59d2972882 shay...(hi darling!!) as far as i've understood it the choo choo single and double were called the same wether they were stationary, turning in place or traveling forward. i think the names just changed over time, to single or double hip bump (again with the same variations). at least that's what i gathered...i found a note to myself from the first GS i attended...i think i asked Carolena to clarify the name change. if i am mistaken, i'm sorry!!! where i've gotten confused is hearing them also called single and double pivot bump....arrghhh!!! :) and thank you all for the clarification...!!!!!! Wed, 09 Apr 2008 21:58:03 GMT http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/aa69b05d-1ed1-402e-a06b-54194f69b1e8#01a644aa-060e-43f4-bb2b-ab59d2972882 Marta 2008-04-09T21:58:03Z http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/aa69b05d-1ed1-402e-a06b-54194f69b1e8#a53ada13-5b24-404f-9797-f1e90391256a I think some of the confusion of naming stems from the fact that the ATS format has been a work in progress, and over the years, some of the naming has changed a bit. Traci, to answer your question, that *should* be a benefit of ATS, having the same terminology, the same language. I think as more people are educated through Tribal Pura the terminology will start to become more uniform as we all get on the same page. Wed, 09 Apr 2008 00:13:28 GMT http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/aa69b05d-1ed1-402e-a06b-54194f69b1e8#a53ada13-5b24-404f-9797-f1e90391256a principessa crankypants 2008-04-09T00:13:28Z http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/aa69b05d-1ed1-402e-a06b-54194f69b1e8#cb0fbfaa-e0f6-4457-90ae-0e02807a87a9 "regional differences in terminology" ? I'm not trying to stir up trouble, but I thought one of the main benefits of ATS was to have the same terminology - verbal and dance. Am I splitting hairs? Tue, 08 Apr 2008 23:48:05 GMT http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/aa69b05d-1ed1-402e-a06b-54194f69b1e8#cb0fbfaa-e0f6-4457-90ae-0e02807a87a9 Traci 2008-04-08T23:48:05Z http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/aa69b05d-1ed1-402e-a06b-54194f69b1e8#05a40979-86a2-4b5c-856b-16d5f523ed8b Yes yes. :) Tue, 08 Apr 2008 21:35:19 GMT http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/aa69b05d-1ed1-402e-a06b-54194f69b1e8#05a40979-86a2-4b5c-856b-16d5f523ed8b "Shay" 2008-04-08T21:35:19Z http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/aa69b05d-1ed1-402e-a06b-54194f69b1e8#9ae32c19-8251-47ce-b9f1-a4209bcd5c45 Ah, I knew there would be regional differences in terminology. . .hence my stating "here in Santa Fe". . . My teacher made it clear that she calls the completely stationary hip bump a choo-choo, and it can move forward. As soon as you start rotating around yourself, it's a pivot bump. Hence the "pivot" part of the name. Since the stationary move is so similar, I can certainly see it being called a hip bump. The single choo-choo rotates around yourself in a circle over 8 counts; the double choo-choo rotates around yourself in a square (meaning one complete move, foot front and back, facing side, back, side, front) over 16 counts. Least in the Land of Enchantment that's how we're doing it! Does this clarify? Tue, 08 Apr 2008 21:31:34 GMT http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/aa69b05d-1ed1-402e-a06b-54194f69b1e8#9ae32c19-8251-47ce-b9f1-a4209bcd5c45 chandler 2008-04-08T21:31:34Z http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/aa69b05d-1ed1-402e-a06b-54194f69b1e8#78ef59bf-8ae1-4973-b6e6-8b77857a4c5c I knew they could travel, but was trying to confirm that they are not called "single choo choo" and "double choo choo" when they are in place. And we always called it Hip Bump, but I thought that wasn't the official ATS terminology, since I read in "Bellydance" (formerly "The Art of...) that this move was listed only as Pivot Bump and Choo-Choo. No "Hip Bump" was mentioned. Thanks for clarifying Sandi! Tue, 08 Apr 2008 21:14:22 GMT http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/aa69b05d-1ed1-402e-a06b-54194f69b1e8#78ef59bf-8ae1-4973-b6e6-8b77857a4c5c "Shay" 2008-04-08T21:14:22Z http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/aa69b05d-1ed1-402e-a06b-54194f69b1e8#02e61bef-7c4b-4214-9573-b78ba376a8cd Wow, this is a microscopic discussion! My brain is starting to twist into a fetal position. Well, if you're doing a hip bump and not moving anywhere, technically you're not pivoting. So I tend to call that just a Hip Bump which is the family name for all those bumping movements. I'm not 100% on that tho. Can Wendy or Carolena confirm? When we use the Hip Bump in place, its usually just for a transition into another movement and doesn't last too long, say like if we're waiting for a particular change in the music or for some reason got off the count or phrasing in the music (nice how 1-count moves can help in those moments!). Most of the time its a Pivot Bump. But Shay, the Single Bump and the Double Bump can travel. Just like a Choo Choo, but using the same foot patterns as the SB and DB. Its just not something we do too often. I don't know why, 'cuz I like it when it happens. ;} Confusion abounds! *;D Tue, 08 Apr 2008 20:51:02 GMT http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/aa69b05d-1ed1-402e-a06b-54194f69b1e8#02e61bef-7c4b-4214-9573-b78ba376a8cd Sandi 2008-04-08T20:51:02Z http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/aa69b05d-1ed1-402e-a06b-54194f69b1e8#63416d01-3faf-40c2-843c-bbf225b2eb66 Chan...said "Turns out my confusion was I was calling the pivot bump without moving (which I now know is a choo-choo) still a pivot bump. " BUT Sandi said: "A Choo Choo is just the hip bump moving forward. The scoot forward is a straight line forward and is the same count and foot as the Pivot Bump" From what I understand, and what Sandi seems to have said, is that it *is* a Pivot Bump if you are doing it in place *and* also if you are turning with it. It only becomes a Choo-Choo when you move forward with it, as when leading into Arc Arms. So if you are standing there and bumping your hip = pivot bump If you are rotating around yourself = pivot bump If you move forward or sideways (as in doing a leader transition) = choo-choo If you move the hip forward one bump, then back one bump, in place = singles (not "single choo-choo" as it's not a choo-choo, which travels) If you move hip forward two bumps, back two bumps, in place = doubles (not "double choo-choo") Does this clear it up, or did I make it more confusing? Tue, 08 Apr 2008 19:48:59 GMT http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/aa69b05d-1ed1-402e-a06b-54194f69b1e8#63416d01-3faf-40c2-843c-bbf225b2eb66 "Shay" 2008-04-08T19:48:59Z http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/aa69b05d-1ed1-402e-a06b-54194f69b1e8#76c5bfc4-45eb-4fa9-959f-8596def647e3 Okay, Ladies: I have been led down the path of clarity (and to the store for new index cards to replace all the wrong ones!) I'm sure there are regional variances on these names, but here in Santa Fe our terminology is as follows: Choo-choo: weight on back slightly bent leg, forward leg glute contracts to move hip up on each count, forward foot on demi-point next to back foot. Stationary or moving forward. Pivot Bump: Choo-choo that rotates around oneself. The three variants are the arm positions in relation to direction of turn. Single choo-choo: Forward foot (meaning the foot stage front) moves toward toe of standing foot while you create one hip "bump", then moves toward heel of standing foot with one hip "bump" with specific arm position. Double choo-choo: same as single but with two hip "bumps" front and two back with their specific arm positions. Turns out my confusion was I was calling the pivot bump without moving (which I now know is a choo-choo) still a pivot bump. Since I then needed three variations of pivot bump, I decided those must be the stationary position, moving forward and rotating. Of course if I'd been paying attention, I would have realized a stationary position wouldn't be called a "pivot" anything--same with moving forward. Oh well. I got an A for effort. Now I look forward to having Carolena here in two weeks for workshops, to see what SHE calls everything! ;-P Thanks again for everyone's input. Tue, 08 Apr 2008 18:51:46 GMT http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/aa69b05d-1ed1-402e-a06b-54194f69b1e8#76c5bfc4-45eb-4fa9-959f-8596def647e3 chandler 2008-04-08T18:51:46Z http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/aa69b05d-1ed1-402e-a06b-54194f69b1e8#1c7b1f07-4a92-48e1-866b-4aef4e1aa121 Well, the Arc Arm Turn is a movement unto itself rather than just a variation of the Pivot Bump or Choo Choo. But its all part of the same hip bump family. :} Tue, 08 Apr 2008 05:58:42 GMT http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/aa69b05d-1ed1-402e-a06b-54194f69b1e8#1c7b1f07-4a92-48e1-866b-4aef4e1aa121 Sandi 2008-04-08T05:58:42Z http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/aa69b05d-1ed1-402e-a06b-54194f69b1e8#af18755c-a885-4c42-8876-85000cad31d9 i was wondering if it could be choo-choo with arc arms...? Tue, 08 Apr 2008 05:03:21 GMT http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/aa69b05d-1ed1-402e-a06b-54194f69b1e8#af18755c-a885-4c42-8876-85000cad31d9 Mallory 2008-04-08T05:03:21Z http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/aa69b05d-1ed1-402e-a06b-54194f69b1e8#9a988883-2d22-4948-8b3b-70655f3abaa3 That's what happened here- I'd been calling them single/double hip, and single/double bump, and just watched Volume 4 last week, and saw them called Choo Choos. Mon, 07 Apr 2008 20:22:34 GMT http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/aa69b05d-1ed1-402e-a06b-54194f69b1e8#9a988883-2d22-4948-8b3b-70655f3abaa3 Margaret 2008-04-07T20:22:34Z http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/aa69b05d-1ed1-402e-a06b-54194f69b1e8#c3248953-c0fa-410b-b0e5-2a08f95af2b8 Hmm... well, maybe it could be just the arm positions? Pivot Bump w/arms #1 (right arm out, left arm up) and arms #2 (opposite from #1). Then you have the clockwise pivot bump as the third. I dunno. Mon, 07 Apr 2008 20:11:07 GMT http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/aa69b05d-1ed1-402e-a06b-54194f69b1e8#c3248953-c0fa-410b-b0e5-2a08f95af2b8 Sandi 2008-04-07T20:11:07Z http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/aa69b05d-1ed1-402e-a06b-54194f69b1e8#e17be44a-95b9-4bd7-abb0-3970735c0288 I think where the confusion lies is that in the Tribal Basics Vol 4: Advanced Workshop Video/DVD the movements in question are called choo choo singles and choo choo doubles. The name changed to single bump and double bump. I call them both names at once so that folk who use the video are not confused by the change in name. :) Mon, 07 Apr 2008 19:32:49 GMT http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/aa69b05d-1ed1-402e-a06b-54194f69b1e8#e17be44a-95b9-4bd7-abb0-3970735c0288 Marta 2008-04-07T19:32:49Z http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/aa69b05d-1ed1-402e-a06b-54194f69b1e8#b3339d7a-85f0-4f76-84ae-f34c823dab71 Oh! I think I might know where I am wrong. . .I was thinking of the forward moving bump as a pivot bump variation. . .but if I'm getting you right, that's actually the choo-choo. I'm pretty clear on the single choo-choo and hte double choo-choo. . .and I understand the basic pivot bump, and I know it can move in a clockwise rotation, and a counter-clockwise rotation. . .but I thought the movement foward was also considered a pivot bump variation. If THAT is actually choo-choo, what is the third pivot bump variation she is asking for? Oh, I'm SO confused!!!! Mon, 07 Apr 2008 19:12:51 GMT http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/aa69b05d-1ed1-402e-a06b-54194f69b1e8#b3339d7a-85f0-4f76-84ae-f34c823dab71 chandler 2008-04-07T19:12:51Z http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/aa69b05d-1ed1-402e-a06b-54194f69b1e8#bbf10804-9f1a-48b7-b760-2ae809d0f293 "Choo-choo can't be different from single choo-choo. . . " I'm guessing that your teacher has different terminology. But at FCBD, yes, they can be different. A Choo Choo is just the hip bump moving forward. The scoot forward is a straight line forward and is the same count and foot as the Pivot Bump - basically its a one count move, but we generally count in fours or eights depending on the music. The feet don't move back, nor does the hip bump back. A Single Bump is a two-count move with the hip moving forward and back - the right foot ball moving from near the left foot toes to the left foot heel positions. Choo chooing it forward would make it look like a zig zag, if looking directly from above, rather than a straight line. I hope that is clear. Mon, 07 Apr 2008 18:58:27 GMT http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/aa69b05d-1ed1-402e-a06b-54194f69b1e8#bbf10804-9f1a-48b7-b760-2ae809d0f293 Sandi 2008-04-07T18:58:27Z http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/aa69b05d-1ed1-402e-a06b-54194f69b1e8#a3029b54-bf83-41a9-982b-d70151920fdf Thanks for all the responses, and the link to the other thread. I'm starting to assume it's a type-o. The way she teaches, pivot bumps are all done with the forward foot resting on its ball next to the standing leg, and the forward hip is up on the 1. It can be stationary, can move forward (only), and rotate around in either direction. Choo-choo, on the other hand, involves the forward foot moving slightly forward, then slightly back, with the associated hip bump. A single choo-choo is forward for one count with hip bump up, then foot back one count with associated hip bump. Double choo-choo is foot forward with two hip bumps, then foot back with two hip bumps. Plus, the arm positions are different. What threw me for a loop is her list includes these four: Choo-Choo Pivot Bump with 3 variations SIngle Choo-Choo Double Choo-Choo then she goes on from there. I'm thinking it's a double listing. Choo-choo can't be different from single choo-choo. . . Mon, 07 Apr 2008 18:00:23 GMT http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/aa69b05d-1ed1-402e-a06b-54194f69b1e8#a3029b54-bf83-41a9-982b-d70151920fdf chandler 2008-04-07T18:00:23Z http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/aa69b05d-1ed1-402e-a06b-54194f69b1e8#18442b5d-d8ae-452a-add3-ba67d54e9851 So I'm thinking that your teacher might be thinking of it as: Pivot Bump Choo Choo Single Bump Single Bump Choo Choo Double Bump Double Bump Choo Choo There are so many variations for most moves. That would be a lot of cards! ;} It would be best to ask her what she wants though. *;} Mon, 07 Apr 2008 17:31:59 GMT http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/aa69b05d-1ed1-402e-a06b-54194f69b1e8#18442b5d-d8ae-452a-add3-ba67d54e9851 Sandi 2008-04-07T17:31:59Z http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/aa69b05d-1ed1-402e-a06b-54194f69b1e8#5abcf9d7-9588-4e6c-9a50-20be450241bc There's only one Choo Choo and thats stemming from the Hip/Pivot Bump, traveling forward with the right hip. Maybe there's some confusion about the Single and Double Bumps traveling. They also can move forward, but are not called choo choos, as far as I know. Even though they use the same choo chooing movement, the traveling is just a variation rather than its own designated move. They both also pivot. Neither move backwards. Here's another discussion that happened here a while back: http://ats.tribe.net/thread/e53f2b4d-2499-43cb-ad2f-e488f6990412 Read Wendy's (principessa crankypants) response for a description of the foot positions on the Single Bump. *;} Mon, 07 Apr 2008 17:24:38 GMT http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/aa69b05d-1ed1-402e-a06b-54194f69b1e8#5abcf9d7-9588-4e6c-9a50-20be450241bc Sandi 2008-04-07T17:24:38Z http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/aa69b05d-1ed1-402e-a06b-54194f69b1e8#883033f6-ab8c-45ca-974c-c34a3ebc5dfd And they're done in place, no scooting. (But there's a variation with a half turn) Mon, 07 Apr 2008 17:08:51 GMT http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/aa69b05d-1ed1-402e-a06b-54194f69b1e8#883033f6-ab8c-45ca-974c-c34a3ebc5dfd Margaret 2008-04-07T17:08:51Z http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/aa69b05d-1ed1-402e-a06b-54194f69b1e8#12a62dc7-5d5a-400c-8537-d7ee857932f5 Singles are the hip bumps that go a little forward and a little back. One bump forward, one bump back = singles! Mon, 07 Apr 2008 16:58:13 GMT http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/aa69b05d-1ed1-402e-a06b-54194f69b1e8#12a62dc7-5d5a-400c-8537-d7ee857932f5 "Shay" 2008-04-07T16:58:13Z http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/aa69b05d-1ed1-402e-a06b-54194f69b1e8#92d71497-c99c-449c-8c87-240c862a1ae7 Help! My "homework" is due today, and of course I didn't get started until last night. . .our teacher has us make index cards of all the moves in ATS so you can pull three of four and practice putting the moves together. I am working on the list of beginning movements--and hit a snag almost immediately. (I've only been studying tribal about 6 months). On the list was "choo-choo" (we have to write the position, number of counts, then describe the move). I did so, explaining the moves/arm position of a single choo-choo. Two down on the list was "single choo-choo." Huh? Is there a difference between a choo-choo and a single choo-choo? I am going to try to finish my cards on my lunch hour, so immediate input would be enormously appreciated. . . . Mon, 07 Apr 2008 16:34:45 GMT http://ATS.tribe.net/thread/aa69b05d-1ed1-402e-a06b-54194f69b1e8#92d71497-c99c-449c-8c87-240c862a1ae7 chandler 2008-04-07T16:34:45Z