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I found an explanation about this on tribe but had a few more questions.
So the arabic 123 is an 8 count movement, consisting out of 2 arabics for the first four counts and 3 chest drops/undulations on 5-6-7 and coming back up on 8.
So the cue for this is 2 arabics with the arms coming down on to shoulder height. I was wondering if these 2 arabics are the two arabics right before the 3 chest drops (so part of the arabic 123, i.e. count 1-4 of the movement) or if they are 2 arabics prior to the arabic 123 so after these 2 arabics you do an aditional 2 arabics part of the movement followed by the 3 chest drops.
Secondly: do the arms STAY down onto shoulder height for the rest of the movement, until you go to a different movement like egyptian basic or something? This seems so, but on the DVD volume 4, the arms are either up or one arm front one arm up so I got confused. Do the arms come back up after the cue.
and last thing: when you turn with the arabic 123 is it a gradual turn? or is there a certain number of times that you do the arabic 123. With the circle step and the torso twist with turn, I remember that it is either 3 or 2 sets per turn, depending if the follower on the left turns 1/3 turn or 1/2 turn during the turn and thought it might be similar for the arabic 123?
Hope this all makes sense, I find it hard to explain myself without showing on video.
thanks
Hilde
So the arabic 123 is an 8 count movement, consisting out of 2 arabics for the first four counts and 3 chest drops/undulations on 5-6-7 and coming back up on 8.
So the cue for this is 2 arabics with the arms coming down on to shoulder height. I was wondering if these 2 arabics are the two arabics right before the 3 chest drops (so part of the arabic 123, i.e. count 1-4 of the movement) or if they are 2 arabics prior to the arabic 123 so after these 2 arabics you do an aditional 2 arabics part of the movement followed by the 3 chest drops.
Secondly: do the arms STAY down onto shoulder height for the rest of the movement, until you go to a different movement like egyptian basic or something? This seems so, but on the DVD volume 4, the arms are either up or one arm front one arm up so I got confused. Do the arms come back up after the cue.
and last thing: when you turn with the arabic 123 is it a gradual turn? or is there a certain number of times that you do the arabic 123. With the circle step and the torso twist with turn, I remember that it is either 3 or 2 sets per turn, depending if the follower on the left turns 1/3 turn or 1/2 turn during the turn and thought it might be similar for the arabic 123?
Hope this all makes sense, I find it hard to explain myself without showing on video.
thanks
Hilde
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Re: arabic 123
Sat, January 12, 2008 - 11:10 AMThe way I learned it, the first 2 Arabics are the setup before the 1-2-3, and it is during those Arabics that the arms come into whatever position you are going to have them in (I learned arms up, shoulder height, or Arms 2). The arms stay in that position until you come out of it with a different step. We were not taught a specific number of steps to a turn. -
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Re: arabic 123
Sat, January 12, 2008 - 5:21 PMThe first two Arabics are the 1 and 2 before the 3 drops. The arms do stay in the same position until you change the move, and the other thing to remember is that to help cue it, the first two Arabics should have a more emphatic chest lift. -
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Re: arabic 123
Thu, January 17, 2008 - 4:44 AMso with arabic 123 are the arms always out to the side, or is there another arm position? On the Volume 4 DVD Carolena says that the arms are either up completely (like with the normal arabic) or in position 2 (left arm front, right arm up) and she doesn't mention both arms on horizontal position.
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Re: arabic 123
Thu, January 17, 2008 - 9:50 AMYes, it's been an evoluntionary thing. We've found over time that it's easier to do the movement with the arms at shoulder height. -
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Re: arabic 123
Thu, April 29, 2010 - 9:25 AMResurrecting an old thread....
Is the Arabic 123 ever done with arms down or is it pretty much always at shoulder height (whether you're staying to the front or turning). And you don't *have* to turn it, correct? -
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Re: arabic 123
Thu, April 29, 2010 - 9:38 AMarms always at shoulder height, and no, you don't have to turn it.
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Re: arabic 123
Thu, April 29, 2010 - 8:01 PMack. That's not quite right. The first two arabics are the 1,2,3,4 the 3 drops are 5,6,7 and the pop back up is 8.
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Re: arabic 123
Thu, April 29, 2010 - 12:49 PMAt GS Carolena told us the cue from Arabic is: the arms come down to shoulder height and you do the two arabics traveling towards the performance angle corner then you go into the 3 drops. The move is now really easy to follow. -
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Re: arabic 123
Thu, April 29, 2010 - 1:50 PMMy understanding is that it has become 'optional' for the traveling forward. (??) -
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Re: arabic 123
Thu, April 29, 2010 - 4:58 PMThat makes sense, especially in tight spaces where moving forward would mean moving off the stage or into a table. -
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Re: arabic 123 half turn cue
Thu, July 22, 2010 - 3:46 AMPlease, your help is very appreciable! Is there a cue to the Arabic 123 Half Turn? Is it a head turn to the left? -
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Re: arabic 123 half turn cue
Thu, July 22, 2010 - 5:16 AMIn this video at 1:40 after doing an Arabic 123 the leader turns the head to the left before piviting. Is it a cue to the A123WHT?
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Re: arabic 123 half turn cue
Thu, July 22, 2010 - 9:46 AMThere's no cue for the half turn. It takes 4 counts to get to the back (or 2 arabics). I can't watch youtube at work.... but I know what you mean by the head turn.
It's probably because the dancer is looking where she is going so that she can see where she is going and suggesting intention. It happens ALL over ATS with many moves, turns and transitions.
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Re: arabic 123
Mon, March 19, 2012 - 5:50 AMHave to resurrect this - sorry! One more clarification needed on the half turn.
I always thought you go straight into it... you setup with one to the front PA then as soon as you want to turn it you do so...but someone said the other day they thought that you needed to do the move to the front, then one to the front L diagonal, _then_ turn to the back R diagonal. So there would be an additional extra one just a little way around after the first one, before turning.
In the vid linked in the thread they appear to just turn it around to the back keeping their PA without doing this extra one on the diagonal, and this is what we've been doing - as it seems to be extra fluff and the intent of the leader is pretty obvious to follow.
Could someone confirm if it is ok to just (half) turn it after say one or two to the front, or do we do the extra one to the front L diagonal before turning it? It has confused me slightly - also I am unsure if basically they are saying you lose the PA and let the chest be inline with the hips to front L corner before you turn it? :oS I thought step retained PA throughout inc. the half turn?
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Re: arabic 123
Mon, March 19, 2012 - 3:21 PMI turn it gradually into the half turn directly, without the extra "spotting" of the left corner. I have never heard of that and it doesn't seem necessary to me at all. As for arabic, you should always be in a slight diagonal when you do it, for the best visual effect, as far as I know. So you should somehow be there already. But I might be wrong. The less cues and set ups you need for a move, the better, I think :) -
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Re: arabic 123
Mon, March 19, 2012 - 3:23 PMSorry, english is not my native tongue ;) With "gradually directly" I mean that I go straight into it. Yes. -
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Re: arabic 123
Tue, March 20, 2012 - 1:58 PMI wouldn't have realised English wasn't your first language - you communicated that very clearly!
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Re: arabic 123
Fri, March 23, 2012 - 8:39 AMlike Berenike said, you should be in dance angle, which means you are angled to the left, so you wouldn't need to add an 'extra' one in there to the left diagonal. Make sense? -
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Re: arabic 123
Sun, April 1, 2012 - 11:23 PMIs it correct that if I want to do Arabic 123 with 1/2 turn that I would do at least three Arabic 123's? ie one at performance angle, one to back right corner & another to the front ie performance angle? -
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Re: arabic 123
Mon, April 2, 2012 - 1:13 PMYes, you might do 4 just to keep it within phrasing of the music, if needed. That might look like 2 to the front, 1 to the back, and one back to the front. But, yes, at least 3 as you described.
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Re: arabic 123
Wed, April 4, 2012 - 6:56 AMThanks for the responses and clarifications.
R.e. being angled left - is this referring to the angle that hips, chest or both should be at when executing this step? Dance angle mentions hips at 11 o'clock and chest at 12 so do we 'shuffle' a tiny bit CCW when we go into the Arabic 123 in order to get things on the diagonal?
On closer inspection after doing 8 counts of basic Arabic (chest front) then moving into Arabic 123 for a further 8 counts - seems I have been angling slightly more L with it as I went from Arabic to 123 (meaning the extra one in there before turning felt unnecessary) but still keeping my chest turned slightly 'past' my hips, and maintaining that throughout the half turns (on the diagonal).
Hoping that is right...hope this makes sense. Probably nit picky but want to properly 'get' exactly what is going on with these angles...
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Re: arabic 123
Wed, April 4, 2012 - 10:38 AMSweetheart, don't overthink it so much! Dance angle usually has the chest a bit more turned to the front than the hips. So you just use that angle. Don't get so nitpicky about things that you become robotic in your dancing. :-)
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Re: arabic 123
Wed, April 4, 2012 - 11:34 AMTo go along with Wendy's response, there will be some moves that look better adhered to performance angle and some that need to flatten out in order to show off the move. Examine where the best viewpoint is for this move and do it. I tend to stick to performance angle for this one because of the Arabic and the drops.
Watch yourselves everyone! In the mirror or on video. Remember, it not only is about sight-lines for each other, but about how the audience views the dance as well.
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