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Nitpicky question about the Doubleback

topic posted Fri, September 2, 2011 - 9:51 AM by  Jennifer
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Okay, so correct me if I'm wrong, but the feet go:

1-2: step right then left on balls of feet, hips swivel to face forward.
3: step right, back towards back right corner, flat feet
4: touch left foot, pointing left front corner
5-6: step left then right on balls of feet, hips swivel to face forward.
7: step left, back towards back left corner, flat feet.
8: touch right foot, pointing towards right front corner.

While this is going on, the hips are moving. Here's the nitpicky part:

Are we doing weighted hip lifts on each beat? so on 1, lift right hip; 2 lift left hip; 3 lift right hip; 4 lift right hip again.

Or unweighted hip drops? on 1, drop left hip; 2 drop right; 3-4 drop right twice.

Or something else entirely?

Thanks!

Jen "Calliope"
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Jennifer
Toledo
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  • Re: Nitpicky question about the Doubleback

    Fri, September 2, 2011 - 10:41 AM
    For your count, 3 & 4 are on the right flat foot = 2 bumps on the right hip. Which means that 7 & 8 are also on the flat left foot = 2 bumps on the left hip.

    There are no down bumps on this one.
    • Re: Nitpicky question about the Doubleback

      Fri, September 9, 2011 - 3:45 PM
      Sandi, what exactly do you mean that there are no down bumps on this one? I just got a confusion moment...
      • Re: Nitpicky question about the Doubleback

        Fri, September 9, 2011 - 6:11 PM
        1 = up bump right (releve on R)
        2 = up bump left (releve on L and R)
        3 = up bump right (R flat, L releve)
        4 = up bump right (R flat, L releve)

        5 = up bump left (releve on L)
        6 = up bump right (releve on L and R)
        7 = up bump left (L flat, R releve)
        8 = up bump left (L flat, R releve)

        3, 4 and 7, 8 might seem like down bumps since the bumping hip is lower (because that foot is flat and the other side is on releve), but the hips are actually bumping up.
        • Re: Nitpicky question about the Doubleback

          Sat, September 10, 2011 - 10:15 PM
          Jennifer,

          To continue with the nitpicking, actually above Sandi states that 1 & 2 and 5 & 6 are swivels, not up bumps. :)

          Zina,

          Technically, if the right hip is going up, the left is going down, so it can look like on 3 & 4 you're doing down bumps with the left instead of up bumps with the right. I was asking for clarification on up bumps versus down bumps because I wanted to know which hip was driving the movement and where the energy was coming from. Does that clear any confusion?

          -Jen/Calliope
          • Re: Nitpicky question about the Doubleback

            Sat, September 10, 2011 - 10:33 PM
            I'm thinking that at GS Megha said the two bumps are to the back (which I assume is why the move is called Doubleback). If so, then how can the bumps be up, when they're going back? Am I all wrong???
            • Re: Nitpicky question about the Doubleback

              Sun, September 11, 2011 - 9:10 AM
              That would be the bumping and the swiveling put together.

              The hips are going up on 3,4 and 7,8, but because of the swiveling, your R hip is back of the L on 3,4 and the L hip is back of the R on 7,8. The hip that is at the back is pushing up twice.

              I never thought of the name before and those 2 bumps to the back before. :)
            • Re: Nitpicky question about the Doubleback

              Sun, September 11, 2011 - 10:50 AM
              Oh gosh. That name makes so much sense now. I can't believe I never realized that. Thank you for the lightbulb moment. It's like the day it dawned on me that the movie "The Truman Show" meant "The True Man Show" because the character of Truman was supposed to be real and unfiltered. :P
              • Re: Nitpicky question about the Doubleback

                Mon, September 12, 2011 - 6:24 PM
                i dunno if this will help, or not.... but another visual for this move [which by the way, was one of the few moves that made sense to me right from the start... the name double*back*, and the bumping back twice] goes something like this:

                picture yourself standing in the middle of a pie plate [choose your favourite pie, just cuz it will put a smile on your face].
                step onto the rim with your R foot in relevé and swivel the R hip forward [1]
                step onto the rim with your L foot in relevé and swivel the L hip forward [2]
                step back into the middle of the pie plate with your R foot flat, and bump the R hip back twice at a slight angle to the back right corner - your L foot stays in relevé on the rim [3 & 4]
                lift your L foot to step it back onto the rim in relevé and swivel the L hip forward [5]
                step onto the rim with your R foot in relevé and swivel the R hip forward [6]
                step back into the middle of the pie plate with your L foot flat, and bump the L hip back twice at a slight angle to the back left corner [7 & 8]
                repeat for however many times you feel inclined :)

                your feet get a little stained from the pie filling, but what the heck ;)

                i'm one of these people who need to have visuals... and i think it was Shay who passed this visual on to me when i was first learning this move :) YAY Shay xo
            • Re: Nitpicky question about the Doubleback

              Fri, September 16, 2011 - 10:03 PM
              Good one Zina. I always assumed everyone knew that was what 'Double Back" meant. But then again, I learned this from Hahbi Ru a looong time before it was an ATS move, so maybe John described it that way.

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